The end of big bureaucracy

[zarus tathra]

Solitary

[Jmpty]

[hide]The United States' Largest Private Employers[1][2][3]
Rank   Employer   Employees
1   Wal-Mart Stores   2,200,000
2   Yum! Brands   523,000
3   McDonald's   440,000
4   International Business Machines   434,246
5   United Parcel Service   399,010
6   Kroger   375,000
7   Target   361,000
8   Home Depot   340,000
9   Hewlett-Packard   331,800
10   General Electric   305,000
11   Tata Consultancy Services   300,464
12   Sears Holdings   293,000
13   Bank of America   281,791
14   Berkshire Hathaway   270,858
15   Citigroup   266,000
16   Wells Fargo   264,200
17   J.P. Morgan Chase   260,157
18   AT&T   256,420
19   FedEx   255,573
20   Walgreens   211,500
21   General Motors   207,000
22   Lowe's   204,767
23   Aramark   203,500
24   United Technologies   199,900
25   Verizon Communications   193,900
26   Best Buy   180,000
27   Darden Restaurants   178,500
28   Safeway   178,000
28   Cognizant Technology Solutions[4]   178,000
29   Walt Disney   175,000
30   HCA Holdings   174,500
31   Boeing   171,700
32   Macy's   171,000
33   TJX   168,000
34   Ford Motor   164,000
35   CVS Caremark   163,000
36   Johnson Controls   162,000
37   Infosys Limited   161,000
38   J. C. Penney   159,000
39   Starwood Hotels & Resorts   154,000
40   Starbucks   149,000
41   The Coca-Cola Company   146,200
42   Supervalu   142,000
43   Xerox   139,650
44   Emerson Electric   133,200
45   Gap   132,000
46   Honeywell International   132,000
47   Procter & Gamble   129,000
48   Costco Wholesale   128,000
49   Comcast   126,000

[AllPurposeAtheist]

Wouldn't be more productive for people to attack what ZT is posting rather than making personal attacks?  Solitary

Well Bill, it's like this.. ZT is stuck on right wingian ideas of if ONLY we could fuck up EVERYTHING the world would be a better place which to me personally makes him a fun target for fun ridicule..

[Hakurei Reimu]

Big bureaucracy's pretty easy to define. Large, hierarchical organizations of people employing more than 100,000 directed towards relatively well-defined goals. Pretty much the only organizations that would count are national governments and Microsoft, which barely breaches the threshold, which is semi-arbitary but is in the right ballpark. One should also probably add the ability to requisition resources without much in the way of resistance to this.

Is that his definition or yours? If it's his, how did you figure that out? If it's yours, why does his reasoning apply to your term?

[zarus tathra]

@jmpty

I'll bet most leftists hate most of the organizations on that list by default.

Is that his definition or yours? If it's his, how did you figure that out? If it's yours, why does his reasoning apply to your term?

He mentions the ability to mobilize large numbers of people and to seize resources to the degree that's necessary for total war as part of his definition. My preliminary definition was a crude one and thought up on the fly, but it at least includes the ability to seize resources and mobilize large numbers of people.

[Hakurei Reimu]

I'll bet most leftists hate most of the organizations on that list by default.

They are also, by your definition, "BIG bureaucracies" with the ability to wage war. Even though to any modern military they would be squished like bugs.

He mentions the ability to mobilize large numbers of people and to seize resources to the degree that's necessary for total war as part of his definition. My preliminary definition was a crude one and thought up on the fly, but it at least includes the ability to seize resources and mobilize large numbers of people.

Except it's not really bureaucracies per se that enables this, but the ability to organize large groups of people. Which is essentially what a civilization is. Large states need something to organize them, giving them the ability to mobilize resources and people, otherwise you don't really have a large state, but a bunch of smaller feudal states that have grouped together with no real direction to it.

Also, you're basically forwarding BIG bureaucracy as the enabler for war... like you were forwarding fiat currency as the enabler for war a while back in your insane joulebuck thread. Face it: the only thing you need for war is for a large enough group of people to want to go to war with the means to go to war. No more, no less.