Imprisoned 1000 days without a trial

[SvZurich]

Now now, CommonSense, you know Conservative types need their straw-man arguments.  Without them, the Conservatives have nothing to use.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Son, you don't know me, nor my background well enough to make such a bold claim as that.  Read my sig.  Note the name before Conservative.  That man deserves your respect.

[Alaric I]

Now now, CommonSense, you know Conservative types need their straw-man arguments.  Without them, the Conservatives have nothing to use.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Son, you don't know me, nor my background well enough to make such a bold claim as that.

I'm not your damn son, and if I was I'd kill myself out of sheer embarrassment.  Second, you made a dumbass bold claim without knowing me and that is what I was responding to.  It doesn't matter how well I know for me to tell you that you don't know what you are talking abpout in that one statement I responded to.

[SvZurich]

[-X   Alaric, you joined my home on the web a mere 5 days ago and are off to a good start with 233 posts.  I have nearly a decade here with over 34,000 posts you may look through.  Be nice, or go away.   8-)

[Alaric I]

[-X   Alaric, you joined my home on the web a mere 5 days ago and are off to a good start with 233 posts.  I have nearly a decade here with over 34,000 posts you may look through.  Be nice, or go away.   8-)

Well I am fairly easy to get along with as long as you don't make assupmtions about me.  That is my hot button.

[SvZurich]

Ditto pilgrim.  Just know that I grew up a huge fan of Reagan and Bush 1, came to realize just how much I had been lied to by them during the end of Bush 1's term, and have grown more liberal since.  I was raised thinking FDR and Lincoln were two of the biggest traitors to this nation, and know them to be its greatest heroes now.  Since realizing Sky Daddy is a myth and acknowledging my sexuality, I've experienced more than my fair share of hate from Reich Wing lies, and I react to them openly like a Table 1 element dropped into water.  I still think Barry Goldwater was a good man.

[Alaric I]

Ditto pilgrim.  Just know that I grew up a huge fan of Reagan and Bush 1, came to realize just how much I had been lied to by them during the end of Bush 1's term, and have grown more liberal since.  I was raised thinking FDR and Lincoln were two of the biggest traitors to this nation, and know them to be its greatest heroes now.  Since realizing Sky Daddy is a myth and acknowledging my sexuality, I've experienced more than my fair share of hate from Reich Wing lies, and I react to them openly like a Table 1 element dropped into water.  I still think Barry Goldwater was a good man.

Sweet, I stay pretty centered.  Both sides make good points, but I think they makes some stupid arguments and come up with some stupid ideas.  As far as I'm concerened we need to preserve our constitution, yet need to make a few modifications to ensure that everyone has total freddom.  I also think we need to go to a 100% democratic society as this republic stuff is killing us.

[SvZurich]

I am a fan of Democratic Socialism.  Protect and educate the people, give them incentives to work hard and a piece of the prize, and thrive.

[Jason Harvestdancer]

He gave comfort and aid to the enemy while the country is at war and he was serving in the armed forces.

It's quite telling that many people here think the People of the United States are the enemy are the enemy of the Government of the United States.

[Rejak]

His leaks embarrassed the US by exposing our crimes. None of his leaks provided actual aid and comfort to the enemy, but they did provide a "see we were right about the US" to anyone - friend or foe - that opposed the US war machine.

He is a fucking hero. and has paid a terrible price for it already (bangs gavel, case closed)

[Shiranu]

One who breaks an unjust law that conscience tells him is unjust, and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for law.

First, this.

Second, if its the law who broke the law, who is suppose to hold them accountable? The only thing you can do in that situation is expose the truth and continue to tarnish their rep.

But insulting him because the corrupt leaders passed laws to protect their corruption, and HE is the bad guy because he broke those rules... I just don't get that.

[Nonsensei]

He gave comfort and aid to the enemy while the country is at war and he was serving in the armed forces.

It's quite telling that many people here think the People of the United States are the enemy are the enemy of the Government of the United States.

Other way around.

[Alaric I]

One who breaks an unjust law that conscience tells him is unjust, and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for law.

Second, if its the law who broke the law, who is suppose to hold them accountable? The only thing you can do in that situation is expose the truth and continue to tarnish their rep.

But insulting him because the corrupt leaders passed laws to protect their corruption, and HE is the bad guy because he broke those rules... I just don't get that.

This is why he is both.  He did the right thing in the wrong way.  I think a lot of people in Congress would ahve done something about it, it would at least get media attention without exposing this stuff in a way it should not have been done.

[commonsense822]

This is why he is both.  He did the right thing in the wrong way.  I think a lot of people in Congress would ahve done something about it, it would at least get media attention without exposing this stuff in a way it should not have been done.

I'm sorry but I think you are misguided here.  Again, the documents that were leaked were from Congress.  The documents didn't have really much or any material that was actually related to national security.  They were mostly gossip between and about the members of Congress, and other global leaders.  Nothing that said, "here is where the troops are!"  These documents show the underside of the political game that is played not just nationally but internationally as well.  Bringing to the attention of the Congress members the underhanded ways those same Congress members act is a complete conflict of interest, and it very likely that they would do absolutely nothing about it to protect their own asses.  To think otherwise is simply naive thinking.

Secondly, how much have you seen the mainstream media talking about Julian Assange, WikiLeaks, or Bradley Manning?  Very little.  Despite the fact that this directly affects their jobs because it is about our 1st Amendment rights to a free press..  This is because the mainstream media is no longer concerned with breaking a story (like WikiLeaks did), they are only interested in getting face time with politicians, and it could also be because talking about WikiLeaks is in some ways an admission that someone outside the current new organizations was able to break a story (even several stories) better than they can.  Admitting that what Assange did was journalism, is to discredit their own ability at journalism.

The leaked info was not going to, and in fact didn't, affect our national security at all.  The only thing it was going to affect was some Congress member's election cycle.  Some bad stuff was revealed about them, so they discredit Assange and Manning as traitors to try and regain their credibility, and to some degree it has worked.

Everything has been bought out in this country.  The politicians, the media, the corporations, etc.  Even WikiLeaks, which runs on donations, has had the ability to accept donations completely crippled by the corporate financial institutions that have decided that WikiLeaks cannot use their services in an attempt to try and bleed them dry for money.  What are these corporations' reason for blockading WikiLeaks?  The leaked documents show how easily are politicians are bought by these institutions, and so giving that info to the American people is bad business all around.

[Alaric I]

This is why he is both.  He did the right thing in the wrong way.  I think a lot of people in Congress would ahve done something about it, it would at least get media attention without exposing this stuff in a way it should not have been done.

I'm sorry but I think you are misguided here.

Oh the irony.

[AllPurposeAtheist]

Manning is corporate America's (and other nations) sacrificial lamb as the 'traitor' who must be imprisoned as a 'spy' forever or until the political class decides otherwise. It's clear the US military is no longer accountable to the public nor, for that matter are politicians nor police who serve the rich and punish the poor. Of course not all politicians, members of military nor police feel the same, but as long as they work for them they are to a degeee guilty of complicity.