Author Topic: All Darren Wilson Does is Win  (Read 7401 times)

Offline josephpalazzo

Re: All Darren Wilson Does is Win
« Reply #30 on: August 25, 2014, 03:54:45 PM »
Nope, ignoring the race issue is precisely why nothing ever gets done. Blacks know it is an issue, far to many of us don't.



You won't get an argument from me that racism is alive and kicking in the US, and a good reason why there has been so much opposition to Obama from the Republicans has been due on race. However screaming racism everytime a white cop shoots a black kid without knowing all the facts might be a hindrance to solve the racist issue. It might be that in this case, the cop lost his nerves or the kid went bersek and lounged into the police like a maniac. We simply don't know. Does this cop have a history of having a chip on his shoulders in regards to black people? Is there anything we can say that this cop has a history of demeanors that suggest strongly he is a racist? 

Explain to me how someone running away from you can magically assault you with no gun when you have one?

Now if he had approached me in a white middle class neighborhood, even if he knew I stole some cigars and shoved someone, the odds are far more likely I would have made it to the back of the police car alive and been charged with less.

I've had a gun aimed at me by a police officer, and did not end up dead. I have thrown a wallet at a cop and did not end up dead.



Are you 6foot4, weighing 300 lbs? Did you ever act out like this kid did in the convenience store - shoved the owner off as if he was some pesky animal? It's very possible that the kid was told by the police to move out of the street where he was blocking the traffic, and instead of complying, decided to act out like he did in the store. Now, the owner wisely did not pursue, but the cop would not have that option. When temper are rising, it's easy to go from an insult, to throwing a fist to a fatal shot.  That scenario is quite likely, and race might have not been an issue. But there are investigations, and we will see with more facts as they come out if racism played a part in this shooting.

Offline zarus tathra

Re: All Darren Wilson Does is Win
« Reply #31 on: August 25, 2014, 04:53:11 PM »
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If cops are trained to constantly fear their conditions, then the people who live under them are going to fear them.

Yeah we should train them to be like samurai and not fear death. Make them sit under waterfalls for hours on end and have them duck under a swinging sword as their final test before graduation.
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Re: All Darren Wilson Does is Win
« Reply #32 on: August 25, 2014, 06:31:08 PM »
Yeah we should train them to be like samurai and not fear death. Make them sit under waterfalls for hours on end and have them duck under a swinging sword as their final test before graduation.

No intelligent response, therefore revert to sarcasm. Seems like you're having difficulties with the whole "thinking" process.

Offline aitm

Re: All Darren Wilson Does is Win
« Reply #33 on: August 25, 2014, 07:04:23 PM »
Joe has the right track here....lets be unpopular and wait until we have all the facts.
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Re: All Darren Wilson Does is Win
« Reply #34 on: August 25, 2014, 09:27:43 PM »
Um our flooded gun market certainly is an issue, but we are talking about a black teen without a gun getting murdered by a cop with a gun.

Which race is always advocating no rules and a free for all "rights" issue when it comes to guns?

Never heard Al Sharpton or Jessie Jackson say anything like Wayne La P dipshit "You can pry my gun from my cold dead hands".


If you steal from a shop then jaywalk with your ill gotten gains then assault a cop who tells you to get off the road resulting in his firearm discharging inside the Police car don't whinge to me if the cop shoots you.

As for the anti gun bigots consider these facts-
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-In 2008, the homicide victimization rate for blacks (19.6 homicides per 100,000) was 6 times higher than the rate for whites (3.3 homicides per 100,000)
-The victimization rate for blacks peaked in the early 1990's reaching a high of 39.4 homicides per 100,000 in 1991
-In 2008 the offending rate for blacks (24.7 offenders per 100,000) was 7 times higher than the rate for whites (3.4 offenders per 100,000)
-The offending rate for blacks showed a similar pattern to the victimization rate, peaking in the early 1990's at a high of 51.1 offenders per 100,000 in 1991
-After 1991, the offending rate for blacks declined until it reached 24 per 100,000 in 2004.This rate has since fluctuated,increasing to 28.4 offenders per 100,000 in 2006 before falling to 24.7 per 100,000 in 2008.
Source- Dept of Justice page 11
www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

Of course the leftist gun grabbers are silent on which race has the highest homicide rate, did the Chicago gun laws work?

Re: All Darren Wilson Does is Win
« Reply #35 on: August 25, 2014, 10:15:12 PM »
If you steal from a shop then jaywalk with your ill gotten gains then assault a cop who tells you to get off the road resulting in his firearm discharging inside the Police car don't whinge to me if the cop shoots you.

As for the anti gun bigots consider these facts-
Of course the leftist gun grabbers are silent on which race has the highest homicide rate, did the Chicago gun laws work?

Lets find out if gun laws work, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate, it seems they do. You seem to be tackling two different issues in one post, gun laws in general and firearms related deaths by race in the USA.
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Re: All Darren Wilson Does is Win
« Reply #36 on: August 25, 2014, 10:53:38 PM »
If you steal from a shop then jaywalk with your ill gotten gains then assault a cop who tells you to get off the road resulting in his firearm discharging inside the Police car don't whinge to me if the cop shoots you.



As for the anti gun bigots consider these facts-
Of course the leftist gun grabbers are silent on which race has the highest homicide rate, did the Chicago gun laws work?

How do you know what happened? You seem so certain.

you should examine the gun laws in the neighboring states. Where are the guns coming from?

If you use terms like "anti gun bigots," and "leftist gun grabbers," don't expect anyone with half a brain to take anything you say seriously.
« Last Edit: August 25, 2014, 10:59:50 PM by Jmpty »
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Offline PickelledEggs

Re: All Darren Wilson Does is Win
« Reply #37 on: August 25, 2014, 11:06:32 PM »
Anti gun bigot...  Never heard that before... 

What the fuck is an antigun  bigot?

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Offline Hakurei Reimu

Re: All Darren Wilson Does is Win
« Reply #38 on: August 25, 2014, 11:17:44 PM »
I like it how baronvonrot likes to pretend that whites and blacks have comparable socioeconomic status.

Normalize your figures for the effects of poverty and other confounding factors and they might mean something.
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Re: All Darren Wilson Does is Win
« Reply #39 on: August 25, 2014, 11:25:09 PM »
Lets find out if gun laws work, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate, it seems they do. You seem to be tackling two different issues in one post, gun laws in general and firearms related deaths by race in the USA.

California has 3.4 firearm homicides per 100,000, Texas has 3.2 firearm homicides per 100,000
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States_by_state

In Australia i have a Ruger SR762 with 20 and 25 round magazines along with a Gemtech Sandstorm suppressor with my Category D licence, a Ruger SR762 is not available for Americans in California with your assault weapon ban and magazine restrictions.
California has some of the toughest gun laws in the USA
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_California

Texas has a lower firearm homicide rate compared to California yet they allow all sorts of firearms, of course the anti gun bigots ignore this fact.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Texas

Australia never had drive by shootings before our gun laws were introduced in 1996,of course it is not law abiding firearm owners doing these drive by shootings, how many do we have these days?
https://www.google.com.au/?gws_rd=ssl#q=drive+by+shooting+sydney


Re: All Darren Wilson Does is Win
« Reply #40 on: August 25, 2014, 11:31:27 PM »
I like it how baronvonrot likes to pretend that whites and blacks have comparable socioeconomic status.

Normalize your figures for the effects of poverty and other confounding factors and they might mean something.



I worked with some pretty cool African Americans in Boston,perhaps they got off their asses and achieved something instead of making excuses.

Are you saying whitefellas are exempt from poverty in the USA?

Re: All Darren Wilson Does is Win
« Reply #41 on: August 25, 2014, 11:56:39 PM »
Australia never had drive by shootings before our gun laws were introduced in 1996,of course it is not law abiding firearm owners doing these drive by shootings, how many do we have these days?
https://www.google.com.au/?gws_rd=ssl#q=drive+by+shooting+sydney
Interesting statist...anecdote.  It's strange that you picked Australia as an example, though.





http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/current%20series/tandi/261-280/tandi269.html
« Last Edit: August 25, 2014, 11:59:51 PM by Hydra009 »

Re: All Darren Wilson Does is Win
« Reply #42 on: August 26, 2014, 07:32:33 AM »
California has 3.4 firearm homicides per 100,000, Texas has 3.2 firearm homicides per 100,000
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States_by_state

In Australia i have a Ruger SR762 with 20 and 25 round magazines along with a Gemtech Sandstorm suppressor with my Category D licence, a Ruger SR762 is not available for Americans in California with your assault weapon ban and magazine restrictions.
California has some of the toughest gun laws in the USA
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_California

Texas has a lower firearm homicide rate compared to California yet they allow all sorts of firearms, of course the anti gun bigots ignore this fact.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Texas

Australia never had drive by shootings before our gun laws were introduced in 1996,of course it is not law abiding firearm owners doing these drive by shootings, how many do we have these days?
https://www.google.com.au/?gws_rd=ssl#q=drive+by+shooting+sydney

I'm sorry, I didn't realize that Texas, California and Australia were the only landmasses on the globe (two of which are located in the same country with no boarder that will check to see if you're bringing in a gun you purchased in another state). You can make statistics mean anything you want if you get to pick and choose which to use. You are being very dishonest and are incorrectly assuming we're stupid.

Re: All Darren Wilson Does is Win
« Reply #43 on: August 26, 2014, 07:42:10 AM »
Herp derp yada yada. Seems like the debate always swings by this bus stop on anything involving guns. Cops have had guns since like I don't know, forever. The issue isn't gun ownership- it is racism versus overreaction by the cop in particular. Racism involved? Likely. Why? Just look at the level of representation on the force- a largely black community being policed by a nearly all white police force and governed by a nearly all white city council. Sounds like a built in bias to me.

The other issue is justification of deadly force. Without knowing all the facts, I can't state specifically, but in my opinion it was not justified. Unless there is specific intent by the perp against the officer, justification of deadly force does not apply. In my opinion the Trayvon Martin decision looms large here, because it will color all such incidents now and in the future.

The issues are racism and use of deadly force, not gun ownership.

Offline Munch

Re: All Darren Wilson Does is Win
« Reply #44 on: August 26, 2014, 07:45:00 AM »
Anti gun bigot...  Never heard that before... 

What the fuck is an antigun  bigot?

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