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Offline StupidWiz (OP)

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Offline DunkleSeele

Re: ISIS beheaded the missing journalist from USA
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2014, 08:05:57 AM »
I've heard about it this morning on the radio while driving to work; sad but not unexpected, unfortunately.

When will the US and the West in general understand that our policies in the Middle East have been completely fucked up?

Offline SGOS

Re: ISIS beheaded the missing journalist from USA
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2014, 08:42:36 AM »
That one video that starts out with Obama was graphic.  I suppose it could be photo shopped, but ISIS does that, so it wouldn't have to be.

Re: ISIS beheaded the missing journalist from USA
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2014, 10:39:20 AM »
And in the dark ages, anyone challenging the church were put in prison or tortured to death.

Yes this sucks, but Islam does not own a patent on human cruelty. Our behavior as a species has always displayed both cruelty and compassion.
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Online Shiranu

Re: ISIS beheaded the missing journalist from USA
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2014, 12:55:59 PM »
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And in the dark ages, anyone challenging the church were put in prison or tortured to death.

I'll take beheading any day to some of the tools the Catholics and English came up with...

Hopefully the Kurds and Iraqis can knock IS back into oblivion. To be "fair" to them, what they had Foley say is technically true, that this is the United States fault... they are a branch off of Al Qaeda who was an American puppet against the Communists. Doesn't take the blood off their hands, but at the same time we are the ones who trained them to be killers.
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Re: ISIS beheaded the missing journalist from USA
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2014, 03:18:18 PM »
The US - Offering short-term solutions to intractable long-term problems since 1945.

Far more truthful than E Pluribus Unum.
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Re: ISIS beheaded the missing journalist from USA
« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2014, 06:18:36 PM »
ISIS thanks you all for your tacit approval.
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Online Shiranu

Re: ISIS beheaded the missing journalist from USA
« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2014, 06:30:14 PM »
ISIS thanks you all for your tacit approval.

The United States likewise thanks you for yours.

Because you know... you are only allowed to blame one group,  it's completely impossible for more than one party to be responsible for their actions!

Piss off...
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Offline Green Bottle

Re: ISIS beheaded the missing journalist from USA
« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2014, 06:57:51 PM »
Ill tell you what is really sick,  all the people who are passing around this video on fb like its entertainment, fuckin sick bastards........
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Online Shiranu

Re: ISIS beheaded the missing journalist from USA
« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2014, 07:13:16 PM »
Ill tell you what is really sick,  all the people who are passing around this video on fb like its entertainment, fuckin sick bastards........

I fucking hate these type of people.
"Too curious flower, watching us pass, met death; Our hungry donkey." - Basho

"You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty." - Mahatma Gandhi

Re: ISIS beheaded the missing journalist from USA
« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2014, 11:28:11 PM »
Because you know... you are only allowed to blame one group,  it's completely impossible for more than one party to be responsible for their actions!
Oh I blame either side... WHEN IT'S APPROPRIATE!
What I don't do is blame every evil thing done in the middle east on the U.S and Britain. ISIS, it's views, and it's crimes have absolutely nothing to do with anyones foreign policy. Zero! Iraq being rid of a dictator had the perfect opportunity to turn things around, just as Egypt did. It was fucked up both times by Islamists, not the west, not this time.

Twice now you've been shown videos of islamists performing barbaric executions and twice you have blamed the US and what christians did centuries ago. How about you try reading this situation correctly for a change.

Once again, here is the link to the historical account of Muhammads conquests: http://www.historynet.com/muhammad-the-warrior-prophet.htm
This time read it and understand that ISIS is doing exactly what Muhammad has done.

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Piss off...
uhhhh No. I'll expose your "blame everything on the west" islamist apologetics anytime the mood strikes me.
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Re: ISIS beheaded the missing journalist from USA
« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2014, 12:02:53 AM »
6,000+ years of two religions of peace and the followers of one are still in the Dark ages with the First Testament and an insane prophet, while the other one has members of the same stripe, taking the Second one literally, causing on believable pain and suffering for those that don't cow tow to their God (Allah). If there were a devil, he couldn't cause more pain and suffering with his writings.  :wall: :butt: Solitary   
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Offline Hakurei Reimu

Re: ISIS beheaded the missing journalist from USA
« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2014, 01:59:45 PM »
uhhhh No. I'll expose your "blame everything on the west" islamist apologetics anytime the mood strikes me.

As opposed to what? Treating them like crap and meddling with their affairs? Yes, that worked soooo well last time and the time before that and the time before that.

"Islamic apologetics" is a buzzword created by the right to salve their guilt in having to acknowledge that the west's hands aren't lily white clean in this affair, and railing against people trying to keep them from using the same tired strategy of righteous retaliation that has been failing the whole time (and parallels the response of the people they are railing against). Seriously, the best thing we can do for them now is leave them the fuck alone, and if it weren't for their oil that's precisely what we would be doing.
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Online Shiranu

Re: ISIS beheaded the missing journalist from USA
« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2014, 04:09:13 PM »
Edit: Taming it down because I am pissed off at what you implied, not at you specifically. If you catch this before I am done editing, just realize that.

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ISIS, it's views, and it's crimes have absolutely nothing to do with anyones foreign policy. Zero!

IS is an extremist branch off of Al Qaeda, an organization trained and funded by the American government during the very late 80s and early 90s to combat the "Communist threat". It's entire existence is because of the CIA, which happens to exist in a foreign country that isn't Iraq and Afghanistan.

Therefore it's existence IS dependent upon Western forces and thus Western forces shoulder part of the blame. It happened within my life-time, and I am young... so you cant say it was "too long ago" for people to have their hands washed clean of it, especially when it has caused so much suffering to millions and millions of people since it was started.

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Iraq being rid of a dictator had the perfect opportunity to turn things around, just as Egypt did.

You just said the West had NOTHING to do with this situation... then you cite that it is the power struggle in Iraq that is allowing IS this opportunity. I think that is a very fair point, one I agree with and I think most people who have payed attention agree with, but you realize why Iraq is in a power flux right now, right?

Iraq didn't over-throw Saddam by itself. Iraq wasn't even close to over-throwing Saddam by itself. Iraq is in the power struggle it is in atm because the United States decided to finish what they started in the first Gulf War and invade for one reason or another a country that had nothing to do with the "War on Terror"... at best they were a sponsor of terrorists. That is all fine-and-dandy, but if that is the case then we would need to declare war on Saudi Arabia (the biggest funder of terrorists in the Middle East), Iran (second biggest), Pakistan, Palestine, Egypt, and of course ourselves for funding terrorists throughout the Middle East and Latin America (and Europe, and Asia...).

The Iraq power struggle is more than anything else solely on the West. Without our involvement Saddam would still be ruling and, in all honesty, the people of Iraq would be better off. That is really shitty to have to say, but at the end of the day it was a lose-lose situation that we could do nothing about, at least not by sending them guns or bombing them into submission.

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Twice now you've been shown videos of islamists performing barbaric executions and twice you have blamed the US....

I have posted it twice now and you still haven't seem to read a thing I said. What I have said is that the United States, and the West, hold responsibility for the consequences of their actions. If you create a power struggle after training groups to be terrorist organizations, what exactly do you think is going to happen.

No where have I said IS is not responsible nor have I said the West is solely responsible. I have simply said that many of the factors that have lead to this situation are the fault of the West, and if you have a problem with that then you need to take it up (very recent) history and not me.

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...and what christians did centuries ago.

Yeah, I didn't say that anywhere. I honestly have no idea where you pulled that out of. If you are going to accuse me of supporting mass murderers, at least read my damn posts before accusing me of something that, if you had even the slightest clue about what I am about, you would realize how dead wrong you got.

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uhhhh No. I'll expose your "blame everything on the west" islamist apologetics anytime the mood strikes me.

Again; No, you will accuse me of "supporting mass murderers" anytime the mood strikes me because you are ignoring history for one reason or another and completely reading into my posts things I never said, as well as simply ignoring things I said.

And as HR said, "Islamist Apologist" is a right-wing buzzword, dog-whistle load of horse shit. Please don't bring yourself down by using that drivel.
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Offline Atheon

Re: ISIS beheaded the missing journalist from USA
« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2014, 08:12:08 PM »
I blame conservatism.
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