Author Topic: ITT We disclose our political biases  (Read 3105 times)

Re: ITT We disclose our political biases
« Reply #30 on: August 14, 2014, 10:33:40 AM »
Or we don't give a shit whether you know our political biases or not. This whole thread is about you projecting your values on us, and assuming that should be adhered to.

You said "apparent unwillingness" Wtf? You don 't have any more right to that information than an unknown stranger stopping me on the street. As to "I think its time to disclose our political biases" Are you going to rubber hose my ass like a cop?

Re: ITT We disclose our political biases
« Reply #31 on: August 14, 2014, 12:46:26 PM »
My political slant is amoral/technocratic.

That is not a political slant. I believe it's a type of character alignment in Advanced Dungeons and Dragons.
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Re: ITT We disclose our political biases
« Reply #32 on: August 14, 2014, 01:09:42 PM »
On the international arena, left-wing ideology doesn't work. It's fine to root for those who are the underdogs, wanting to raise the standard of living of everyone, especially those who come from disadvantaged socio-economic background, etc. That enterprise is noble, but it only works under certain conditions, a framework that espouses Western values: democracy, rule of law, individual rights, safeguard for minority groups. In the international arena, we have to deal with thugs who won't hesitate to put a bullet through your head, and not only once we have remove the thugs do we have guarantees that the people will espouse Western values. Look at Egypt, given the chance of electing their government, the Egyptians voted for the Muslim Brothers, a party dedicated to eradicate secularism, freedom of expression, equal rights between man and woman. A similar thing happened with the Palestinians when they voted for Hamas, a terrorist organisation dedicated to the destruction of Israel by any means including using their population to shield their so-called "freedom fighters".

Not sure what you mean by left wing ideology in the context of foreign policy? Can you clarify?
I agree with you that we can't impose Western values overseas and I agree even more with the idea that given the chance, other cultures reject open, democratic and pluralistic societies. It seems crazy to me but that's what appears to be happening. Islamic nations rejected the univeral charter of human rights and instead put out the "Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cairo_Declaration_on_Human_Rights_in_Islam I guess "oxymoron" doesn't translate.

That's why I feel the conservative view of foreign policy is a failure. It assumes others want what we want and tries to accomplish that goal through crazy expensive military operations. It was Dick Cheney who thought the US would be greeted as liberators.
I'm not opposed to any use of the military, but it has certainly been overused because of conservative ideology and not left wing ideology IMO.

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Re: ITT We disclose our political biases
« Reply #33 on: August 14, 2014, 01:57:31 PM »
Why the fuck do you even care? When you boil it down to the essence, we're just a bunch of people bitching on the internet. Our political slants would be troublesome if we were presenting news or running for office, but we aren't. So who gives a shit?
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Offline zarus tathra (OP)

Re: ITT We disclose our political biases
« Reply #34 on: August 14, 2014, 03:24:16 PM »
Or we don't give a shit whether you know our political biases or not. This whole thread is about you projecting your values on us, and assuming that should be adhered to.

You said "apparent unwillingness" Wtf? You don 't have any more right to that information than an unknown stranger stopping me on the street. As to "I think its time to disclose our political biases" Are you going to rubber hose my ass like a cop?

 You people have so much sublimated fear it's hilarious. Go out and kill something furry, it'll do you a lot of good.

Why the fuck do you even care? When you boil it down to the essence, we're just a bunch of people bitching on the internet. Our political slants would be troublesome if we were presenting news or running for office, but we aren't. So who gives a shit?

Good point. We should talk about the ideology of the power elite, too. This ideology being the desire to own everything, as far as I can tell.
?"Belief is always most desired, most pressingly needed, when there is a lack of will." -Friedrich Nietzsche

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Offline josephpalazzo

Re: ITT We disclose our political biases
« Reply #35 on: August 14, 2014, 03:32:52 PM »
Not sure what you mean by left wing ideology in the context of foreign policy? Can you clarify?

A good number of the people on the Left are easily suaded by the pictures being played out on TV about the Palestinians getting pummelled by Israeli forces. Their natural inclination to abhor such tragedy leads them to condemn Israel for such devastation.  The problem with that is that Hamas deliberately places its fighters among the population to insure maximum casualties, and then uses that to get an outpouring of international outcry. Little consideration is given from the Left to the fact that the Palestinians have been at war with Israel since 1948, and during those intervening years, they have never signed a peace treaty, and have always chosen their leaders that publicly shouted the destruction of the state of Israel. What is loss in that cacophony is Israel's right to defend. The road blocks, the wall, the blockades, the bombings, the incursion into the Palestinians, and even the occupation of certain parts are all measures taken as a response to this seemingly unending war. Yet, you don't see equal coverage of those facts. And when certain people do defend Israel, they are quickly dismissed because, because, well you know, the Jews control the media, the Jews control the US government, the Jewish lobby is all powerful, blah, blah, blah... And that kind of vitriol comes mainly from the Left. When dealing with thugs, pleading for the poor is not the appropriate response. The thugs need to be ridden of. The Left wants strong government as that is the best way to fight inequality, have programs to help those in need. Strong government under democracy is fine. It isn't when a country has no inclination to go the democratic path and are run by thugs.   


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Offline DunkleSeele

Re: ITT We disclose our political biases
« Reply #36 on: August 14, 2014, 03:36:52 PM »
                                               
 
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Offline zarus tathra (OP)

Re: ITT We disclose our political biases
« Reply #37 on: August 14, 2014, 05:11:53 PM »
What do you mean by "change my attitude?" If you wanted me to stop insulting people or something I'd understand, but that's too nebulous for me.
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Offline DunkleSeele

Re: ITT We disclose our political biases
« Reply #38 on: August 14, 2014, 05:30:34 PM »
You want a clarification? Here it is: drop your condescending, arrogant attitude towards the other members or you will enjoy a long vacation from the forum, period.

Offline aitm

Re: ITT We disclose our political biases
« Reply #39 on: August 14, 2014, 06:12:09 PM »
I like the cut of your jib.

as I wrote that while sitting nekkin on the sofa, I am oddly tittilated that you would like the "cut of my jib"......so....wanna date me?
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Offline zarus tathra (OP)

Re: ITT We disclose our political biases
« Reply #40 on: August 14, 2014, 07:20:44 PM »
Is it just this thread that's arrogant? Or is it this and many others? Or is it all of them?

                                               
 
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Re: ITT We disclose our political biases
« Reply #41 on: August 14, 2014, 07:27:19 PM »
as I wrote that while sitting nekkin on the sofa, I am oddly tittilated that you would like the "cut of my jib"......so....wanna date me?
Get in line.
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Offline aitm

Re: ITT We disclose our political biases
« Reply #42 on: August 14, 2014, 09:48:01 PM »
I am..and I see no one in front of me....so....Lobster bisque and a small filet?
A humans desire to live is exceeded only by their willingness to die for another. Even god cannot equal this magnificent sacrifice. No god has the right to judge them.-first tenant of the Panotheust

Re: ITT We disclose our political biases
« Reply #43 on: August 15, 2014, 12:16:23 AM »
Whatever. The arrogant shit gets no more attention from me.

Offline DunkleSeele

Re: ITT We disclose our political biases
« Reply #44 on: August 15, 2014, 02:44:55 AM »
Whatever. The arrogant shit gets no more attention from me.
He's got his vacation now. Let's see what happens when he comes back, if he does.