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Here Is Why Religion Should Stay Out Of Public Schools
« on: August 04, 2014, 11:23:37 AM »
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Religion in Public Schools vs. Godless Education:

One of the preeminent battlegrounds for the Christian Right’s war on modernity is America’s secular public school system. The Christian Right cannot stand the fact that instead of infusing the entire curriculum with their brand of conservative Christian principles, the government maintains a neutral stance on religion with a secular system. The godlessness of America’s public schools is an advantage, not a defect. Public schools should be secular, not extensions of religious institutions.

Godless History:

In secular public schools, history is taught from a godless perspective. Events in history are not “explained” as miracles or interventions of gods. The course of history is not described as the expression of divine will and leading to the culmination of any divine plans. Instead, events in history are described as the actions of humans; the course of history is described as the outgrowth of human actions and human institutions. Human history is a human affair, godless and naturalistic.

Godless Science:

Modern science has done more than any other aspect of modernity to undermine traditional religious beliefs about the nature of the universe. Science need not conflict with religion, but it does conflict with many traditional religious doctrines. For this reason, religious conservatives attack the godlessness of modern science education — especially when it comes to evolution and the biological sciences. Science is necessarily naturalistic and thus only a godless science works. Read More...

Godless Sports:

Many religious leaders try to use public school locker rooms as venues for evangelization; coaches abuse their authority over students and their positions as employees of the state to promote their religious beliefs. All of this is wrong: sports in public schools should be a secular affair, without reliance upon or reference to gods. Individuals students are free of course to believe in gods, but the sports programs of public schools must be secular and godless.

Godless Health and Sex Education:

Many religious conservatives seek to smuggle their doctrines into public schools through courses on health and sex education. They hope, for example, that students will be taught that abstinence is the only safe way to prevent pregnancy and disease, leaving them without information on contraceptives. This is a serious mistake: a secular health education program will give students all the correct information, even if it contradicts some people’s religious beliefs.

Religious Studies in Public Schools:

Can godless, secular public schools teach about religion? Yes, but they may be not be permitted to do so. Godlessness does not mean ignorance of religion and a secular program about religion must be objective, fair, and neutral. No religions can be presented as true, no religions can be presented as more right than any other. With all religions, skeptical and critical information must be included. This is unacceptable to True Believers who want their religion presented only in a good light.

Religion and Government Bureaucrats:

Many religious conservatives believe that it infringes on the free speech rights and religious freedom of teachers, coaches, and administrators when they can’t share their religion with students. As representatives of the state, however, their speech and actions are in effect the speech and actions of the state. They are acting on behalf of the state, not as private individuals. As such, their actions cannot be sectarian or take sides when it comes to religious disputes.

Public Schools and Religious Pluralism:

There was a time when most students in public schools were Christian and Protestant in particular. Because of this, public schools could reflect Protestant Christian beliefs and traditions with little worry of complaint. Today, however, communities and schools contain much more religious pluralism. Any favoritism towards one religion over others is immediately perceived as an abuse of government power. Schools must be godless because they must be neutral and fair.

Godlessness and Values:

Religious conservatives fear that godlessness means a lack of values, but that's incorrect. It may mean a lack of the narrow, sectarian values championed by the Christian Right, but these aren’t the only values in existence. They aren’t even all values supported by all Christians, much less by all religious believers. It’s important for schools to help instill basic values in students, but not particular religious values or doctrines. Godlessness allows schools to avoid sectarian strife.

Godlessness Public Schools and Democratic Values:

Public schools are given the task of educating children and preparing them for participation in our democratic culture and democratic political system. None of these goals are advanced in any meaningful way if their education is infused with theism, religion, or religious indoctrination. At no point in a person’s education does the godless, secular nature of that education put them at a disadvantage.

Indeed, there are reasons to think that a secular education is ultimately preferable. For one thing, a secular education should be able to avoid the problems that often accompany the divisive nature of religion. Because students will retain their individual religious beliefs, the possibility of division and conflict cannot be eliminated. Because the educational system itself is secular, however, it is restrained from even giving the appearance of taking sides in religious disputes.

This isn’t just a practical advantage, it’s also an important lesson. It teaches students something they need to know when they enter society, namely that while their religious identity may put them into conflict with other citizens who have a different religious identity, the state and society in general will not take sides and put one religion at an advantage over any other. Religion is a matter of private revelation, faith, and devotion; religion is not a subject of political debate and compromise or public policy.

America is becoming increasingly pluralistic when it comes to religion. Because of this, students of all faiths will have to learn to live with people holding beliefs radically different from their own. A secular, godless school system creates a neutral place where they can all learn the same subjects together and learn from each other without anyone feeling advantaged or disadvantaged. The future of a functioning, pluralistic democracy requires its schools to continue to be neutral in this war.
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Re: Here Is Why Religion Should Stay Out Of Public Schools
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2014, 12:53:49 PM »
Borrowed for Failbook. :cheers:
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
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« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2014, 04:34:07 PM »
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Because of this, students of all faiths will have to learn to live with people holding beliefs radically different from their own.

Anathema to the jesus freaks - or, where they are in the majority - the allah freaks.

Both would rather slam their balls in a car door than agree to that.
The Christian church, in its attitude toward science, shows the mind of a more or less enlightened man of the Thirteenth Century. It no longer believes that the earth is flat, but it is still convinced that prayer can cure after medicine fails.

-- H. L. Mencken

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Re: Here Is Why Religion Should Stay Out Of Public Schools
« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2014, 12:15:34 AM »
atheism has ruined everything. secularism and atheism has brainwashed our children and taken away God from our lives. How anybody can think that's a good thing is beyond me.....

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« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2014, 12:34:02 AM »
atheism has ruined everything. secularism and atheism has brainwashed our children and taken away God from our lives. How anybody can think that's a good thing is beyond me.....


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Re: Here Is Why Religion Should Stay Out Of Public Schools
« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2014, 12:35:08 AM »
:popcorn:
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Offline bigdavebear

Re: Here Is Why Religion Should Stay Out Of Public Schools
« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2014, 12:49:52 AM »
you make no sense at all.... how can you justify taking God away from our school system and ruining our society and our children? oh yeah that's right because you have no morals and you are a rotten person.....................

Re: Here Is Why Religion Should Stay Out Of Public Schools
« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2014, 03:21:18 AM »
you make no sense at all.... how can you justify taking God away from our school system and ruining our society and our children?

Offline SGOS

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« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2014, 07:08:44 AM »
Religion and politics; Both are ideological in nature, and neither is firmly rooted in fact.  For some reason, this combination results in philosophies that generate zealous defense and a need to indoctrinate others.  How would you like it if schools taught a specific brand of politics, and told children what party they should support in order to be good citizens that loved their country?

Most would find that abhorrent.  So why does Christianity get a pass?

Re: Here Is Why Religion Should Stay Out Of Public Schools
« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2014, 07:51:09 AM »
you make no sense at all.... how can you justify taking God away from our school system and ruining our society and our children? oh yeah that's right because you have no morals and you are a rotten person.....................
Cthulhu has issues with you saying "Christian". Just sayin'.
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Re: Here Is Why Religion Should Stay Out Of Public Schools
« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2014, 09:47:26 AM »
you make no sense at all.... how can you justify taking God away from our school system and ruining our society and our children? oh yeah that's right because you have no morals and you are a rotten person.....................

The day that our schools become inundated with "God" is the day that human society has taken one giant leap for mankind, in the wrong direction.
"Human history is a litany of blood shed over differing ideals of rulership and afterlife"

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Re: Here Is Why Religion Should Stay Out Of Public Schools
« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2014, 09:38:21 AM »
My high school was mostly neutral even though I live in the "Bible belt" except for the abstinence only thing, they did teach us that and skipped over condoms and birth control.  The teen pregnancy rate where I live is high, I'm 20 years old and I can already name over 30 people who got "knocked up" from high school and like 3 or 4  have multiple children.  Sex education definitely needs to be reformed in some parts of the U.S.

Re: Here Is Why Religion Should Stay Out Of Public Schools
« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2015, 02:33:26 AM »
atheism has ruined everything. secularism and atheism has brainwashed our children and taken away God from our lives. How anybody can think that's a good thing is beyond me.....

Brainwashed how? By Providing tangible evidence proving many religious claims is wrong?
Its good because it removes humans from a belief mindset and shift them over to a evidence based mindset. It removes the built inn concept of absolute truth and absolute authority which persists in
all religion. How is this bad?

Re: Here Is Why Religion Should Stay Out Of Public Schools
« Reply #13 on: May 10, 2015, 05:00:24 AM »
you make no sense at all.... how can you justify taking God away from our school system and ruining our society and our children? oh yeah that's right because you have no morals and you are a rotten person.....................

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