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Re: TWO HOURS?!?!?!
« Reply #30 on: July 26, 2014, 08:30:53 PM »
That was one of the feelings I had at the time. Another was the feeling you get when you take your friend to pick up his daughters from the country morgue.

Revenge is a powerful emotion.

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Re: TWO HOURS?!?!?!
« Reply #31 on: July 26, 2014, 08:44:40 PM »
Revenge is a powerful emotion.

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Re: TWO HOURS?!?!?!
« Reply #32 on: July 27, 2014, 12:03:25 AM »
if it's for revenge then it's ok to kill? Just wondering.

And I do find it conflicting that the same people who are against the death penalty are for abortion. Just wanted to point that out.

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Re: TWO HOURS?!?!?!
« Reply #33 on: July 27, 2014, 02:28:28 AM »
That was one of the feelings I had at the time. Another was the feeling you get when you take your friend to pick up his daughters from the country morgue.
Which, again, says less about how you feel toward the death penalty than it does about your willingness to suspend rational thought for the sake of revenge.

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Re: TWO HOURS?!?!?!
« Reply #34 on: July 27, 2014, 04:00:06 AM »
Sure there are those who deserve to die, but it's not about what people deserve; its about justice in a civilized society. Civilized societies don't kill. Plus it's more cost effective to imprison criminals for life than to kill them... this is a fact that's been well known for decades.
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Re: TWO HOURS?!?!?!
« Reply #35 on: July 27, 2014, 04:01:47 AM »
And abortion has no connection. The death penalty ends human lives while abortion does not.
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Re: TWO HOURS?!?!?!
« Reply #36 on: July 27, 2014, 06:56:37 AM »
I beg to differ. Abortion absolutely ends human life. You can flower it up and use definitions that skirt reality but abortion is killing a baby end of story. It's just that people don't want to hear that. they want their abortions. Sorry but I call a duck a duck.

As for the death penalty it is barbaric and uncivilized. I've never been supportive of it. But I also don't support the inhumane treatment of prisoners. I think some kind of reformation needs to be seriously looked at. I know it's been tried and failed in the past but in these modern times you can't tell me that all we can do is nothing but lock people up for life.

Even if there was an effective reformation people would be in an outrage if a murder was reformed  and set free instead of punished. The predominantly christian country Christianity that preaches forgiveness, does the opposite of forgiveness. They demand blood and a pound of flesh.

I also think there could be programs offered that could be preventative measures. well there is a program that's not well known, If you go to the hospital and say you are homicidal or will hurt some one they can put you in the lunny bin. As to whether that works permanently is yet to be seen.

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Re: TWO HOURS?!?!?!
« Reply #37 on: July 27, 2014, 07:33:22 AM »
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I beg to differ. Abortion absolutely ends human life. You can flower it up and use definitions that skirt reality but abortion is killing a baby end of story. It's just that people don't want to hear that. they want their abortions. Sorry but I call a duck a duck.

It ends a potential human life, not a babies'. A human fetus is no more a human than an omelet is a chicken. A baby is, by definition, an animal that has already been born. That is not flowering it up, that is the simple scientific truth and definition. If you have a problem with that, take it up with the scientists who decided at what point a zygote becomes an embryo becomes a fetus becomes a baby becomes a....

Abortions take place when an embryo resembles a human about as much as it resembles a chicken, a lizard or a elephant. You can argue that you are terminating a future human, but ultimately at the point of abortion you are "killing" an entity that cannot sustain itself, cannot think or have any sort of sentience, most likely has the most basic of feeling...

While I have some ethical issues with ending that, at the end of the day I think the termination of life at that point is preferable to it being born into a world where it is at best not wanted, at worse going to be abused, tortured, and who know's what else.
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Re: TWO HOURS?!?!?!
« Reply #38 on: July 27, 2014, 07:40:08 AM »
Which, again, says less about how you feel toward the death penalty than it does about your willingness to suspend rational thought for the sake of revenge.
My decision was very rational. I doubt you'll agree, but then I don't worry about that kind of thing. The fucker is dead, and that was the most rational solution to the problem.
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Re: TWO HOURS?!?!?!
« Reply #39 on: July 27, 2014, 08:01:05 AM »
Rather than hijacking this thread I'll start an abortion thread.

I have a responds.

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Re: TWO HOURS?!?!?!
« Reply #40 on: July 27, 2014, 11:46:47 AM »
My decision was very rational. I doubt you'll agree, but then I don't worry about that kind of thing. The fucker is dead, and that was the most rational solution to the problem.
No, GS, that's not rational, it's revenge. You and your friend wasted every other taxpayer's money to fulfill your own need for revenge. The point of justice is to make sure the guy can never hurt another person, one way or another. Killing him is going far beyond what is actually required. I know that sentiment will upset you. I don't really care.

Re: TWO HOURS?!?!?!
« Reply #41 on: July 27, 2014, 12:10:44 PM »
No, GS, that's not rational, it's revenge. You and your friend wasted every other taxpayer's money to fulfill your own need for revenge. The point of justice is to make sure the guy can never hurt another person, one way or another. Killing him is going far beyond what is actually required. I know that sentiment will upset you. I don't really care.
Actually, I'm the one that doesn't care. The fucker's dead. EOF
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Re: TWO HOURS?!?!?!
« Reply #42 on: July 30, 2014, 06:17:19 PM »
I beg to differ. Abortion absolutely ends human life. You can flower it up and use definitions that skirt reality but abortion is killing a baby end of story. It's just that people don't want to hear that. they want their abortions. Sorry but I call a duck a duck.
 
you are stating your opinion as if it's a fact.
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Re: TWO HOURS?!?!?!
« Reply #43 on: July 30, 2014, 07:52:34 PM »
I've been exposed twice..once by accident and once trying to off myself. You get real groggy and sleepy, but it's still painful. You just can't move easily. Your limbs get REALLY heavy.. But it feels like grit in your veins..
SEE! You just had to ruin my day, I thought it was painless. I over dosed on a bottle of aspirin, amitriptyline, and six beers while watching fish in an aquarium---I went to sleep, and woke up three days later and had to go to work. I still have nightmares about going to work.  Solitary
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Re: TWO HOURS?!?!?!
« Reply #44 on: July 30, 2014, 07:54:35 PM »
SEE! You just had to ruin my day, I thought it was painless. I over dosed on a bottle of aspirin, amitriptyline, and six beers while watching fish in an aquarium---I went to sleep, and woke up three days later and had to go to work. I still have nightmares about going to work.  Solitary

Those poor fish

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