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Started by Nam, July 19, 2014, 08:25:36 PM

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Munch

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My father was an alcoholic (I say father though he wasn't biologically, I'm from a sample given to a sperm clinic by a random donor) and he drank 6-8 cans of strong alcohol a day.

He wasn't addicted to the extra strength special brew, which tasted of cats piss, he only liked it because he wanted to be drunk, all the time, since he couldn't handle the real world around him and wanted to numb his senses to it.

THATS why he drank, and eventually killed himself to cancer developing in his bladder. It wasn't because beer was addictive to him, he just wanted to remain numb to life.
'Political correctness is fascism pretending to be manners' - George Carlin

Nam

Oh, and just FYI: I am an alcoholic. I first quit in the summer of 2000. I relapsed in October of 2008. I've been clean since then.

I abused alcohol for 3 years. I drank a bottle of bourbon almost every day in that three year period. I was the happy party drunk; then I became the angry drunk and I stopped.

Perhaps you're an alcoholic, perhaps you know someone who is; either way: alcohol itself is not addictive.

And those who are "addicted to it" is very rare; and mainly only after years of abusing it.

This is the end of the discussion for me.

-Nam
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Solitary

Both of my parents were alcoholics, and when I was a teenager I drank to get drunk and be the life of the party. In my twenties I drank moderately until till one night I got really drunk and then drank a half bottle of gin straight out of the bottle until it was gone. The next day I woke up and my hair hurt (figuratively speaking.) I threw up for three days and fell in love with my cold toilet bowl, and missed a week of work. I never drank again for three years. Now it is one or two drinks of beer or ale when I go out, or one or two glasses of wine. I really don't like to feel deathly sick, and will never drink to get drunk again. Solitary
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Mermaid

I still don't get why Nam was so insistent on alcohol not being addictive despite the overwhelming body of scientific evidence to the contrary, but whatever.
A cynical habit of thought and speech, a readiness to criticise work which the critic himself never tries to perform, an intellectual aloofness which will not accept contact with life’s realities â€" all these are marks, not as the possessor would fain to think, of superiority but of weakness. -TR

BuddyChristLALA

Quote from: doorknob on July 22, 2014, 03:17:31 PM
interesting. How many people here would legalize pot I wonder.
Besides the law makers in Colorado and Washington state?

Why not? At least when pot smokers agree to purchase a product that puts their mouth at risk for oral cancer, their esophagus, and their lungs too, they got high for the price.

Cigarettes are stupid. People buy cancer and only cancer by the pack and the carton.

This jury in this particular award must have been high. Billions? There has been a warning about the risk of cancer for decades and right on the pack.
If this woman's husband was too stupid to read, or figure out that inhaling smoke into his lungs was bad for him, he died stupid.

His widow shouldn't get paid a fortune because her husband paid a fortune choosing to smoke himself to death.

Shiranu

Quoteinteresting. How many people here would legalize pot I wonder.

There are plenty of ways to consume pot that don't involve carcinogens at all, so not sure why that is relevant.
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Gawdzilla Sama

Quote from: Shiranu on August 10, 2014, 06:47:14 PM
There are plenty of ways to consume pot that don't involve carcinogens at all, so not sure why that is relevant.
I have emphysema, so I can't smoke it. Doesn't stop me from enjoying it.
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Munch

'Political correctness is fascism pretending to be manners' - George Carlin

Gawdzilla Sama

Quote from: Munch on August 10, 2014, 08:12:10 PM
pot brownies?


And cookies. Keeps the coughing down. No idea why.
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

stromboli

http://www.everydayhealth.com/head-and-neck-cancer/specialists/does-marijuana-cause-oral-cancer.aspx

QuoteUnfortunately, the current research on cancer and smoking marijuana is mixed. Researchers have shown both negligible risk and an increased risk (in different studies) of head and neck cancer with marijuana use. Many large epidemiologic studies do not seem to show a large increase in oral cancer risk, but quantities and types of marijuana use vary greatly from study to study, and there are confounding factors such as concurrent tobacco smoking in many marijuana smokers, so it is not possible to say whether smoking one or two joints a week will significantly increase your risk for oral cancer.

http://www.fhcrc.org/en/news/releases/2004/06/marijuanastudy.html

QuoteStudy Finds No Association Between Marijuana Use and Incidence of Oral Cancer, Contrary to Previous Reports

SEATTLE â€" Jun. 1, 2004 â€" Contrary to previous research findings that have suggested a link, marijuana use does not appear to be associated with an increased risk of developing oral cancer, according to a large, population-based study led by researchers at Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center.

Their findings, the result of the most comprehensive evaluation to date regarding the association between marijuana use and the incidence of oral squamous-cell carcinoma, appear in the June issue of Cancer Research, a publication of the American Association for Cancer Research.

The study, conducted in collaboration with researchers at the University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign and Seattle's Center for Health Studies, Group Health Cooperative, found no association between marijuana use and increased oral-cancer risk, regardless of how long, how much or how often a person has used marijuana. The study also found no increased risk among marijuana users who had other underlying risk factors for oral cancer, such as a history of tobacco use or heavy alcohol use.

"When asking whether any marijuana use puts you at increased risk of oral cancer, our study is pretty solid in saying there's nothing going on there," said Stephen M. Schwartz, Ph.D., a member of Fred Hutchinson's Public Health Sciences Division and the senior author of the study.

To make an outright claim that Marijuana causes oral cancer is spurious. The problem with any such claims is that you have to have a body of research independent of tobacco use and other carcinogens. The research seems to disagree.