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How to defeat all religious arguments.
« on: July 06, 2014, 08:50:23 AM »
Here is a blog post on the above subject: http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=8854

Do you agree or disagree that this is the way to defeat all religious arguments? It seems convincing to me.

Offline Solitary

Re: How to defeat all religious arguments.
« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2014, 02:55:47 PM »
If you could reason with theists they wouldn't be theists. Everything they believe about their religion is based on magical thinking and ignorance. It's like arguing with a small child that believes in Santa, or his imaginary friend that brings comfort.
It's kind of cruel, in a way, to argue with theist and make them feel uncomfortable. We are better than that---aren't we?  :angel: :naughty: :smile2:
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Re: How to defeat all religious arguments.
« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2014, 03:04:24 PM »
Best way to defeat their arguments is to not bother arguing..  Piss off works better.
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Re: How to defeat all religious arguments.
« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2014, 05:19:35 PM »
In order to defeat an argument, it has to be an argument to begin with. Food for thought.

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Re: How to defeat all religious arguments.
« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2014, 06:05:31 PM »
Here is a blog post on the above subject: http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=8854

Do you agree or disagree that this is the way to defeat all religious arguments? It seems convincing to me.

I think any argument not rooted in fantasy or superstition is a good argument.

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Offline AllPurposeAtheist

Re: How to defeat all religious arguments.
« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2014, 06:09:45 PM »
In order to defeat an argument, it has to be an argument to begin with. Food for thought.

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Re: How to defeat all religious arguments.
« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2014, 08:12:01 PM »
There are many tools in my toolbox, and you're not going to convince a dyed-in-the-wool theist to admit they're wrong. You can, however, make them look extremely foolish. This tactic is but one of many.
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Re: How to defeat all religious arguments.
« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2014, 09:28:08 PM »


Is the best counter I have found so far
Science doesn't give a damn about religions, because "damns" are not measurable units and therefore have no place in research. As soon as it's possible to detect damns, we'll quantize perdition and number all the levels of hell. Until then, science doesn't care.

Re: How to defeat all religious arguments.
« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2014, 10:18:05 PM »
It seems really convincing to me as well but really I think it's a lot simpler than all that. It's not our job to disprove the existence of their arguments. The theists are the one asserting that these fairly tales exist. The burden of proof is on them, not us. They need to offer up the proof rather than shifting the burden on to us (proving a negative is impossible anyway). The other members are also right that reasoning with these people is impossible. We shouldn't be acting like this nonsense deserves a response.

Re: How to defeat all religious arguments.
« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2014, 10:20:49 PM »
Shooting 'em works best. Not only does it defeat their argument, they don't make any others.
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Offline Solitary

Re: How to defeat all religious arguments.
« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2014, 12:04:22 AM »
 :eek: The most expedient and easy answer isn't always the right response, even if it does solves the problem---or is it?  :axe:
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Re: How to defeat all religious arguments.
« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2014, 02:11:38 PM »
If you could reason with theists they wouldn't be theists. Everything they believe about their religion is based on magical thinking and ignorance. It's like arguing with a small child that believes in Santa, or his imaginary friend that brings comfort.
It's kind of cruel, in a way, to argue with theist and make them feel uncomfortable. We are better than that---aren't we?  :angel: :naughty: :smile2:

Making someone believe that hell almost certainly doesn't exist is a good thing for most.
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Re: How to defeat all religious arguments.
« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2014, 09:03:40 PM »
Here's the TL:DR version of the article in the op.
Saying "god did it" or "god is the source" has no explanatory power whatsoever.

Re: How to defeat all religious arguments.
« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2014, 08:54:21 AM »
 William Lane Craig defending a mind without a brain:

Offline ecksperience

Re: How to defeat all religious arguments.
« Reply #14 on: July 11, 2014, 12:26:30 AM »
If you could reason with theists they wouldn't be theists. Everything they believe about their religion is based on magical thinking and ignorance. It's like arguing with a small child that believes in Santa, or his imaginary friend that brings comfort.
It's kind of cruel, in a way, to argue with theist and make them feel uncomfortable. We are better than that---aren't we?  :angel: :naughty: :smile2:

Agreed. To theists, they have this preposterous idea that what is comforting is what should be and what is believed. However, there is a big difference between what is comforting and what is the truth. Believing in something only because it comforts you is a blind and weak approach to life. Believing in Heaven because it comforts you and it doesn't have any evidence to back it up is a blind and weak approach to life. Hell is actually an exception here, though. Hell is a place of hell fire and torment, but the same religion that reinforces your belief in Heaven also threatens you with eternal damnation to a lake of fire, so obviously you will do whatever your religion says in order to escape. Those are three key components to religious belief. Indoctrination, fear, and emotional delusion(comforting fantasies).