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Online Mr.Obvious (OP)

Dead or alive (or at least meditating)
« on: June 05, 2014, 12:40:31 PM »
Judge must decide if guru is either meditating or dead

His Holiness Shri Ashutosh Maharaj was declared clinically dead in January. His followers, however, insist he’s meditating deeply. The case will now come before the Supreme court of the Indian province of Punjab.


According to the wife and son of Maharaj the man died on the 29th of January due to a heart attack. His death was confirmed by doctors and the police of Punjab. But according to the followers’s of Maharaj’s sect the man has reached ‘Samadhi’, the highest order of meditation in which one becomes one with the universe. Therefore the man is being ‘preserved’ in a freezer in the community. 

According to Maharaj’s family the elders of the sect are insisting that he’s still alive so that they can continue to manage his finances. The man is after all one of India’s richest religious leaders, with an approximate 170 million dollars to his name.

The Supreme Court of Punjab has declared the police-report stating that the Maharaj’s death is a ‘religious affair’ invalid. The Court is now looking into the wife and son’s request to research the death and to be able to bury the body.


I translated this article from http://www.standaard.be/cnt/dmf20140605_01130680?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_term=dso&utm_content=article&utm_campaign=seeding
Any thoughts?

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Correction:
According to Aupmanyav:
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The Supreme Court is the highest Court of India and not just of the Indian state of Punjab.
« Last Edit: June 06, 2014, 11:07:05 AM by Mr.Obvious »
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Re: Dead or alive (or at least meditating)
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2014, 12:49:17 PM »
Lol. I love this shit.

Online Mr.Obvious (OP)

Re: Dead or alive (or at least meditating)
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2014, 01:48:53 PM »
One thing that bothers me is the little ways in which the writer of the article seems to give credit to the idea that Maharaj may be alive. Like how he refers to Maharaj's wife instead of widow and how he states that Maharaj is one of the richest people rather than was one of the richest.

But maybe I'm just looking too much into it.
« Last Edit: June 05, 2014, 01:50:52 PM by Mr.Obvious »
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Re: Dead or alive (or at least meditating)
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2014, 01:59:19 PM »
If his heart and lungs have stopped permanently, he is dead, end of story.
Some people need to be beaten with a smart stick.

Kein Mehrheit Fur Die Mitleid!

Kein Mitlied F�r Die Mehrheit!

Re: Dead or alive (or at least meditating)
« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2014, 02:12:13 PM »
If his heart and lungs have stopped permanently, he is dead, end of story.
To expand on my viewpoint: This is something that was decided upon by forensic scientists. With the advent of ICUs death became hard to define, and when it comes to forensics that's a bad thing. While not universal, for American forensic pathology purposes death is the moment when heart and lung activity stops forever. That they are perserving makes no difference. Unless he revived his death is final and absolute. Freezing the body the way they did actually increases the case for him being dead - freezing introduces ice crystals which destroy the cells of the body.  If he was thawed out his body would undergo decomposition rather quickly because of this damage. He is dead, and he shall remain ded.
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Re: Dead or alive (or at least meditating)
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2014, 03:36:36 PM »
Um, he's in a freezer. Stick a fork in him, he's done.
???  ??

Re: Dead or alive (or at least meditating)
« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2014, 04:45:04 PM »
Thaw him out. If he starts to rot, bury him.

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Re: Dead or alive (or at least meditating)
« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2014, 06:18:56 PM »
If his heart and lungs have stopped permanently, he is dead, end of story.
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Um, he's in a freezer. Stick a fork in him, he's done.

Thaw him out. If he starts to rot, bury him.
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Re: Dead or alive (or at least meditating)
« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2014, 06:31:37 PM »
He's not dead, he's just pining for the fjords  :dance:
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Re: Dead or alive (or at least meditating)
« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2014, 07:41:40 PM »
So apparently if you sit really still for a really long time in India you make millions. And then people fight over you.

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Re: Dead or alive (or at least meditating)
« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2014, 08:43:20 PM »
Guess who is getting a tan and moving to India then.
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Re: Dead or alive (or at least meditating)
« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2014, 12:16:23 AM »
Weekend at Bernie's 3:  Nirvana

Offline Aupmanyav

Re: Dead or alive (or at least meditating)
« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2014, 07:07:24 AM »
His followers, however, insist he’s meditating deeply. The case will now come before the Supreme court of the Indian province of Punjab.
The Supreme Court is the highest Court of India and not just of the Indian state of Punjab. 170 million dollars is not a big amount but still the disciples do not want the money to go to the family. We have gurus whose assets are in billions of dollars. Police made it a religious affair because they were suitably bribed. :)
« Last Edit: June 06, 2014, 07:11:00 AM by Aupmanyav »
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Re: Dead or alive (or at least meditating)
« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2014, 11:03:55 AM »
Just translating what it said in Dutch, but I'll be sure to add your remark to the OP. :) thank you
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In the end, we are all standing in the dark,
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But let us not choose one direction
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Re: Dead or alive (or at least meditating)
« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2014, 11:07:11 AM »
Maybe its just me, but I don't think sticking a body in a freezer qualifies as cryogenic life support.