What's behind Cliven Bundy nutfuckery?

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I don't give a fuck about Cliven Bundy because I grew up with people like him. His whole story and "line of reasoning" (I use the term loosely) is based on idiotic right wing BS. Mormons, especially the John Birch-model, (one of my brothers was a Bircher) are a mixture of religious circle the wagons mentality and everybody's a Socialist Commie out to imprison me and rape my children.

He is a nutbag and the people who support him are a bunch of halfwit nutbags with an agenda just as stupid as his. That said, I hope the Justice Department, Dept. of the Interior or whoever handles this has the sense not to turn this into another cause celebre like Waco or Ruby Ridge.

[Johan]

The land did belong to his family until the government pronounced it theirs and started charging for its use.

There is no evidence the land ever belonged to anyone in his family and no proof of 'inherited rights' has been presented.

[stromboli]

Aand C. Bundy is also a racist. Who'da guessed? 

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/04/24/1294262/-Conservative-hero-Cliven-Bundy-I-want-to-tell-you-one-more-thing-I-know-about-the-Negro

“I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro ... because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?” he asked. “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.”


Oh lordy mama, give this guy center stage and shine the spotlight on him. Let's see how fast Fox News and other conservative pundits can distance themselves. 

[stromboli]

Woot! Sean Hannity turned on Cliven Bundy.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/24/sean-hannity-cliven-bundy-fox-news_n_5206516.html

NEW YORK -- Fox News host Sean Hannity said Thursday that Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy's racist remarks are “beyond repugnant” and “beyond despicable.”

For the past several weeks, the conservative Fox News network has given a major platform to Bundy. Some of its hosts and guests have portrayed his standoff with authorities over not paying fees to use federal land as a populist fight against an encroaching government. In a two-week stretch this month, Fox News devoted four hours and 40 minutes to Bundy’s story during late afternoon and evening broadcasts, according to progressive watchdog Media Matters.

But Fox News was noticeably silent on Thursday morning as others reacted to Bundy's controversial remarks on race, published Wednesday night by The New York Times. The Times' Adam Nagourney reported that Bundy had wondered during a public press conference if “Negro” people were “better off as slaves."

Fox News host Greta Van Susteren quickly condemned Bundy’s remarks on her blog, but media attention remained focused on how Hannity might respond. That's because Hannity has led the charge in promoting Bundy’s cause and, in recent days, sparred with Jon Stewart on the issue.

The "Daily Show" host ripped Hannity for dropping his typical law-and-order posture-- at least when it comes to undocumented immigrants or Occupy protesters -- in favor of supporting a rancher who has flouted the law for two decades and ignored court decisions ordering him to remove his cattle from land he doesn't own. Bundy had declared a "ranch war," and armed militia members flocked to the scene.

"Apparently Sean Hannity thinks laws are served buffet-style in that you can pick and choose the ones that you like best,” Stewart said Monday. “The ones that you don't like, you don't have to abide."

Hannity acknowledged the media attention Thursday by welcoming the “liberal media," who were “waiting for my comments breathlessly."

This is hilarious. Cliven bundy is a one man soap opera.   

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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/04/25/1294188/-Cartoon-Cliven-Bundy-s-Home-nbsp-on-nbsp-the-nbsp-Range

[Solitary]

[Cliven Bundy, to "Home on the Range"]

Oh give me a home,
Where mah' cattle can roam.
Fer free, while others must pay.
Where now all that's heard,
Are encouraging words--
For militias arriving today.

Home, home on the range,
Where FoxNews and Hannity play.
Where the right-wing is heard,
And the gun nuts are stirred,
Getting crazier each broadcast day.

Now thanks to the right,
Public land is a blight,
You can really just take it by force.
We're loaded and locked,
I'm a rancher half-cocked,
My rights they exceed those of yours.

Now sometimes at night,
When the cable glows bright,
I think 'bout the wild creatures, too.
But that's gone in a burst,
Private sector is first.
Take your laws and your rules and screw you.

Home, home on the range,
Where FoxNews and Hannity play.
Where the right-wing is heard,
And the gun nuts are stirred,
Getting crazier each broadcast day.

Solitary

[Special B]

The land did belong to his family until the government pronounced it theirs and started charging for its use.

False.

Leave it to delusional Harvestdancer to spread lies.

Bundy never owned the land. Ever. He used to pay his grazing fees until 1993/4 when he stopped. It was federal land long before Bundy started grazing his cattle on it.

The federal government maintains the fences, not Bundy. He's a welfare queen.

Jason, learn a thing or two, kiddo.

[AllPurposeAtheist]

The land did belong to his family until the government pronounced it theirs and started charging for its use.

It is as if I moved into your house and started charging you rent.

The land is federal government land, not Bundy's and his band of nutfucks don't have the rights to threaten bypassers, the media, police and federal agents with lethal force, but Jason you're still entitled to be a dirtbag.
Shit, federal troops put down striking miners, but this shitball is somehow a "patriot"?

[SGOS]

I knew a bunch of these Bundy types in Montana.  They don't seem to understand what is going on around them.  They know that they want free stuff, and somehow that translates into "this land is mine."  The brighter ones recognize that the land is not theirs, but think that it should be (because they want it really bad, but don't want to pay for it).  The real minds behind this war on the government, just want all public land privatized.  Some may even be willing to pay for it, but they think they can manage it better than the Federal Government.

The dumb ones like Bundy are just caught up in the enchantment of the fantasy created by the bright ones, and go along with it thinking that some day they will be the proud owners of that half a square mile of grazing land south of their property. 

But do you want someone like Bundy deciding how to manage land that currently belongs to the public?  The Federal Government makes concessions to guys like this all the time, but it still pisses the Bundy types off because they can't do anything they want with stuff that isn't theirs.

[stromboli]

I knew a bunch of these Bundy types in Montana.  They don't seem to understand what is going on around them.  They know that they want free stuff, and somehow that translates into "this land is mine."  The brighter ones recognize that the land is not theirs, but think that it should be (because they want it really bad, but don't want to pay for it).  The real minds behind this war on the government, just want all public land privatized.  Some may even be willing to pay for it, but they think they can manage it better than the Federal Government.

The dumb ones like Bundy are just caught up in the enchantment of the fantasy created by the bright ones, and go along with it thinking that some day they will be the proud owners of that half a square mile of grazing land south of their property. 

But do you want someone like Bundy deciding how to manage land that currently belongs to the public?  The Federal Government makes concessions to guys like this all the time, but it still pisses the Bundy types off because they can't do anything they want with stuff that isn't theirs.

Yeah, all true. Every time I see these people on the news like Bundy and talking ownership, I see a Native American standing off in the distance and going, No shit?

[AllPurposeAtheist]

I think eventually we're going to have some self proclaimed militias have a "war" with federal troops and after a town or so gets leveled the feds will start cleaning these groups up, but it'll require a whole lot of carnage and loss of life. Wait till they begin rounding up innocent town residents for summary executions and the real military will put a stop to this bullshit.

[phattmatt]

Don't know don't care...sound familiar APA?

[AllPurposeAtheist]

 ^Thinking about nutfuckery.