Present Evidence Here II

[Plu]

Atheism doesn't have any claims, so there is nothing to prove. It's merely the rejection of other claims based on lack of evidence.

[Passion of Christ]

Atheism doesn't have any claims, so there is nothing to prove. It's merely the rejection of other claims based on lack of evidence.

You claim the universe wasn't created by or needs to be sustained by a God or equivalent non-physical or purposeful directive power or there is no good reason to believe is any such thing and that all religions are entirely made up without any truth behind them at all. Some bold claims there. People who believe in God or an equivalent higher power can then ask the evidence equally the same from you if you're making a claim yourself. You can't really count the "Nones" as atheists because they tend to believe in God or they're not going commit themselves to a side.

[Plu]

No we don't. We just say that you don't have enough evidence to support the idea that your god is real. We don't presume to have any answers. (At least; not from atheism)

[Passion of Christ]

No we don't. We just say that you don't have enough evidence to support the idea that your god is real.

It doesn't matter about the specific God/revelation at this point only if "the claims of atheism" would in fact be true. The claims would be that matter/energy is eternal and self organizing within itself and consciousness is a byproduct of this process and nothing sought to create this effect in the universe it merely happened by various unrelated accumulative processes. Theism and spiritual claims would run counter to these "claims of atheism" that you have there. Nones don't have an opinion or if they do they will believe in God but lack any revelation to go with it. Once you oppose the claims religion has traditionally made then you're into counter claim territory and so you will need counter evidence.

We don't presume to have any answers. (At least; not from atheism)

You presume that all the answers will be scientifically discoverable as part of the natural world which is all there is to exist as that's all you believe does exist unless proven otherwise via scientific observation of the natural world. Everything you discover about the natural world will just become part of science and the natural world anyway so you can't "prove God" this way as he would remain beyond the scope of what science can observe not being a part of the natural/physical world.

[Plu]

None of these things are claims of atheism.

[Passion of Christ]

None of these things are claims of atheism.

Materialism then but atheism is based on materialism which is what you have when you remove the existence of everything argue against.

[Plu]

Atheism isn't based on anything. And if you want to discuss materialism, be my guest, but you'll first have to ask if anyone here considers themselves one.

EDIT: Also, atheism doesn't claim certain things don't exist. Atheism merely claims there isn't enough evidence to support certain things.

[leo]

Atheism doesn't have any claims, so there is nothing to prove. It's merely the rejection of other claims based on lack of evidence.

You claim the universe wasn't created by or needs to be sustained by a God or equivalent non-physical or purposeful directive power or there is no good reason to believe is any such thing and that all religions are entirely made up without any truth behind them at all. Some bold claims there. People who believe in God or an equivalent higher power can then ask the evidence equally the same from you if you're making a claim yourself. You can't really count the "Nones" as atheists because they tend to believe in God or they're not going commit themselves to a side.

The universe was created by the Chuck Norris roundhouse kick. There isn't  nothing more to discuss. Chuck Norris masturbate with pics and vids of himself. Where he cums life emerges.

[leo]

You should convert to chucksterism. My religion and myths are far more realistic than christianity. NOW GIVE ME MONEY !

[Passion of Christ]

The universe was created by the Chuck Norris roundhouse kick. There isn't  nothing more to discuss. Chuck Norris masturbate with pics and vids of himself. Where he cums life emerges.

Even this would make more sense than atheism though.

[PopeyesPappy]

Yes this! Because rib women, talking snakes, greatly embelishished stories of ancient conquests and jewish zombies are so much more likely

[Hijiri Byakuren]

What about some nice evidence you can rustle up to prove that atheism is true?  I don't mean evidence for no having a religion/belief as most of those dudes tend to believe in God.

You're a fucking idiot. Let's list off what's wrong with this post:

#1 - Implying That Atheism Makes Claims
Atheism is the complete lack of claims. You don't get into the claims department until you start adding on atheistic philosophies such as Buddhism or Humanism.

#2 - Argumentum ad Populum
The Appeal to Popularity takes a majority or norm and assumes that because it is popular, it is the standard against which all else should be compared (or even correct). This could not be farther from the truth. Most children believe in Santa Claus, and some children don't; members of that minority are "atheists" with regard to Santa Claus. Despite most kids believing in Santa Claus, no one ever "proves" that Santa doesn't exist; the kid simply learns, over time, that the claims regarding Santa's existence are ridiculous, and eventually she will stop believing in him.

Using your logic, though, belief in Santa Claus should just be assumed to be the default position, and we should take each and every child who believes in him up to the North Pole to prove that he doesn't exist; and then somehow counter the claim that Santa can just make his workshop invisible to mortals, at which point you'd just have to throw your hands up in the air and stop trying to reason with them.

That last part, by the way, is pretty much how we've come to think of theists.


So, with all of that said, how about rustling up some nice evidence proving that your religion is true? I certainly won't fault you for trying, even though I know you'll never find any.

[Passion of Christ]

Yes this! Because rib women, talking snakes

You will have to some of that stuff allegorically of course but this isn't necessarily a modern day invention in response to the enlightened reason of science as atheists like to think it is.

greatly embelishished stories of ancient conquests

I don't think it demonstrates that the God they believed in doesn't exist, that doesn't necessarily follow.

and jewish zombies are so much more likely

There's a difference between being raised in glory in the fullness of eternal life and coming back as festering animated corpse. The idea is you don't die and "become nothing" as in the doctrine of atheism life continues after the grave.

[Plu]

You will have to some of that stuff allegorically of course but this isn't necessarily a modern day invention in response to the enlightened reason of science as atheists like to think it is.

Yeah, like that whole "there is a god" thing. That's probably also supposed to be allegorical.

[Passion of Christ]

Yeah, like that whole "there is a god" thing. That's probably also supposed to be allegorical.

Allegorical for the purposeful creator of the universe which you don't think exists for some reason. It could be due to this.


"Beware lest you act corruptly by making a carved image for yourselves, in the form of any figure, the likeness of male or female, the likeness of any animal that is on the earth, the likeness of any winged bird that flies in the air, the likeness of anything that creeps on the ground, the likeness of any fish that is in the water under the earth. And beware lest you raise your eyes to heaven, and when you see the sun and the moon and the stars, all the host of heaven, you be drawn away and bow down to them and serve them, things that the Lord your God has allotted to all the peoples under the whole heaven."Deuteronomy 4:16-19

These are the things God made rather than basis for everything that exists. He made all in a roundabout way through natural processes but it still counts and this is what science studies and can obtain hard evidence for just what you see there.