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Started by Valigarmander, April 15, 2014, 04:11:36 PM

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Valigarmander



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Study commissioned by the NRA...
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josephpalazzo

Quote from: stromboli on April 15, 2014, 04:47:35 PM
Yeah, its like upside down or something.

Yep, it is upside down. Here's what it really looks like:


AllPurposeAtheist

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Easy to fudge stats especially when you want to promote a particular agenda. Florida clearly has a dubious agenda. Also consider nationally crime rates have been plumetting since the 90s. It's like saying,  SEE? IT SNOWED, PROOF CLIMATE CHANGE IS A HOAX,
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aitm

Well the sub title kind of weans it to a different direction, associating stand your ground with murder is an incorrect marriage. Since stand your ground would in effect NOT be murder, they must have fudgered the stats a mite eh?
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AllPurposeAtheist

Quote from: aitm on April 15, 2014, 05:35:28 PM
Well the sub title kind of weans it to a different direction, associating stand your ground with murder is an incorrect marriage. Since stand your ground would in effect NOT be murder, they must have fudgered the stats a mite eh?
Imagine how much lower the murder rate would be if there was a war in Florida.
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josephpalazzo

People, the graph clearly indicates that after the stand-your-ground law was passed the crime rate went UP, not down.

aitm

Quote from: josephpalazzo on April 15, 2014, 06:37:58 PM
People, the graph clearly indicates that after the stand-your-ground law was passed the crime rate went UP, not down.
Oh I agree, but does it go up because of the law, or did it go up because they added deaths from stand your ground to "murder". Though I can't see that few cases of stand your ground being that much of an impact.
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The Skeletal Atheist

Look at the way the numbers go. The graph is correct, just horribly put together.
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josephpalazzo

Quote from: aitm on April 15, 2014, 06:43:26 PM
Oh I agree, but does it go up because of the law, or did it go up because they added deaths from stand your ground to "murder". Though I can't see that few cases of stand your ground being that much of an impact.

I would guess that the number of murders on the graph would include those that were done under the stand-your-ground claim. Is there a correlation between that law and the rise in the crime rate? From the data, you can't make that conclusion. But you can't rule it out, either.

Shiranu

I think it is at least safe to assume that it hasn't done any significant good...

Did they really post that original graph? Wow.
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Jason Harvestdancer

As near as I can tell by the graph, it is only gun deaths.  It doesn't differentiate between offensive and defensive gun uses.
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Quote from: josephpalazzo on April 15, 2014, 06:37:58 PM
People, the graph clearly indicates that after the stand-your-ground law was passed the crime rate went UP, not down.
No it doesn't;


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josephpalazzo

Quote from: Feral Atheist on April 16, 2014, 01:32:23 AM
No it doesn't;


Took a couple of years but the bad guys, figure it out that attacking someone could get their ass shot.

You're comparing apples with oranges: the OP has MURDERS COMMITTED BY GUNS. You have VIOLENT CRIMES.