Why I Believe Atheists are Going to Hell

[JamesWatt]

I don't understand how anyone could be an atheist other than total mindless belligerent obstinacy, because obviously, that which does not exist can't cause anything so the universe can't come from nothing. We only have evidence for causation from something. Some atheists claim outside the universe doesn't abide in the cause and effect inside of the universe, but if that were true then the universe would never come into existence. Of course God can created from outside of time and space since God would transcend time and space. People say God can't create without time. Sure He can. He creates timelessly.

The only other approach I have ever seen atheists attempt is to claim the universe always existed in an infinite regress of cause and effects; but of course, that's false, because if there was an eternity of the past of cause and effects, you would have had an eternity to come into being before now so you should have already happened, having had an eternity to do so. It gets even doubly worse for the atheist, because if a past eternity was true, then you should never have existed because that past eternity would go on for eternity never reaching this point. Therefore, infinite regress is a man made delusion.

I guess I should say why I believe Jesus is God over other faiths. The reason I believe this is because I can't find a naturalistic explanation to account for the eyewitness testimony of the Apostles in various group settings. Group hallucinations are medically impossible - people never hallucinate the same thing. People don't willingly die for what they know is a lie so the Apostles truly believed it; that is, they did not fraudulently make up their eyewitness testimony. Swoon theory fails because Jesus wouldn't convince anyone He is the risen Messiah all tattered and torn, scourged down the bone, holes in His feet and hands, unable to walk on the 3rd day. Legends theory fails because the Apostles believed it from the beginning, set up the first churches on the resurrection appearances of Jesus, and even Paul who was converted about 2 years after the cross said he spent 15 days with Peter, with James, and with John who were key eyewitnesses. Their faith goes right back to the cross. I know the movie "The Enemy" (2014) might convince someone Jesus had a twin brother, but his character and nature couldn't fool the Apostles who had spent 3 years with Jesus.

I believe a sinner is eternally separated from God because God can't have fellowship with sin. Therefore, God the Son mercifully enters His creation to pay the penalty and ransom for sin so that whoever believeth in Him shall not perish but receive everlasting life. Those who do not receive what Jesus did for them to redeem them back to Him shall perish in a state of eternal conscious separation from God. The closest thing I can think of what Hell will be like for Muslims, Atheists, JW's, 7th  Day Adventists, Mormons, Calvinists, Roman Catholics, Buddhists, Hindus, Scientologists, other Gnostics, Deists and Agnostics, etc. is simply jail. We throw people in jail for life so for those who reject Jesus who He truly is, the 2nd Person of the Trinity, must be eternally separated from those God loves, His elect, sons and daughters, namely Christians and saints from the OT. That would be very unloving of God to allow someone who rejects and despises God to be able to interact with a person who is regenerated, has the Holy Spirit indwelling and eternal blessings, for there is no sin in the New City and New Earth.

Since there is no resurrection accounts (notice you are unable to find any sources in antiquity) except Jesus claiming to be God , He is the One and Only. For the atonement to be authentic, the Atoner must come in our likeness, the likeness of flesh, and that's what Jesus does as a perfect sacrifice for sins. When Jesus returns to reign on earth for 1000 years as the Son of Man, He will defeat the evil nations, and His overcomer believers will reign on earth over the nations for 1000 years before the New City and New Earth commence into eternity future.

That's why I believe what I believe since I don't know how disprove it. And there can be no greater proof. I can't even lose salvation, because I gave my life to the God who keeps: those who are born-again "they shall never perish" (John 10.28). Just ask yourself what proof could be better, and you will come up empty handed. You might claim you would believe if Jesus came before you now, but that contradicts His claim when He returns everyone will know it, and why would you even believe it who selfishly comes before you and not others. Why does the universe center around you?

[AllPurposeAtheist]

Well shit! You got me. I'm denouncing atheism now and founding the first church of the immaculate tooth fairy! Praise Mertyl! Her first name is Mertyl TF.

[JamesWatt]

You're contradicting yourself because you said you agree with the post but the post proves Mertyl and the tooth fairy false.

The Bible says be "not doubletongued" (1 Tim. 3.8).

[AllPurposeAtheist]

Ever had a tooth ache?

[JamesWatt]

That seems like a stupid a stupid response.

[Hijiri Byakuren]

After some analysis comparing the various gods of mythology to omnipotent characters in fiction, you will find there are no differences between the two.

I know that gods don't exist. It's surprisingly simple to sum up: Any being claiming to fit the human concept of a god can offer no proof that cannot equally be offered by this guy:


An advanced alien, like Q here, would be able to claim it is a god, even your god, and offer any proof you demanded of him. You would never be able to prove that he is anything other than what he claims.

It sounds like overly simplistic logic, but this is only because the nature of mythological gods itself speaks to how simplistic human imagination tends to be. Even the broadest interpretation of a god separate from the universe, that of deism, only exists to say, "The universe exists, therefore no matter how complex it is God surely must be able to make it," which is really just expanding an already made-up term to encompass new discoveries, rather than just admit that the concept was flawed to begin with.

Then you have the pantheistic and panentheistic definitions, respectively stating that god is the universe and the universe is within god; both of which pretty much mean the same thing after any deep analysis, and both of which beg the question, "If God and the universe are indistinguishable, then why separate the terms at all?" Like deism, the answer is obvious: it's expanding an older term to fit new discoveries, rather than admitting that the concept was flawed from the get-go.

The human concept of a god gets even more ridiculous once you introduce the concept of higher dimensions. Rob Bryanton's Imagining the Tenth Dimension, while by no means describing a currently accepted scientific theory, nevertheless illustrates just how ridiculously huge our universe is should any concept of higher dimensions prove to be accurate (especially given the size of the observable universe we are already well aware of). As the universe gets bigger and bigger, any concept of gods must expand accordingly, to ludicrous levels as this concept should demonstrate.

Even if the observable universe is all there is, if it is really designed then it seems to act like what we would expect of a simulator; and any being capable of designing it should more accurately be referred to as a programmer than a god. "Why can't we just call the programmer God?" you ask. For the same reason we wouldn't call it a leprechaun: fictional though it may be, it already exists as a concept and, for the sake of not invoking confusion and/or emotional validation for irrational beliefs, the term should not be continually expanded to include any and every version of the universe's hypothetical creator. If it is more like a programmer than a god, then that is what we should call it, and how we should regard it. Given all of this, I cannot think of any explanation abiding by Occam's Razor that would lead me to believe that a being conforming to the mythical concept of a god exists.

tl;dr version: There is no way anything we would regard as a god could ever prove that it is what it claims to a skeptical individual. Because the universe less resembles a mythical god's realm than it does a simulator, any designer we did find should be called a programmer, not a god. Therefore, we can reasonably conclude that there is no god.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I feel sorry for people who want me to go to Hell. If there was such a place it would be far more interesting that Heaven and I could still fuck with the Christians, at least the ones that wished me to Hell, because they'd be right there beside me.

[AllPurposeAtheist]

That seems like a stupid a stupid response.

but coming to an atheist site to tell us we're all going to hell is a GREAT fucking idea! Why didn't I think of it first?

[josephpalazzo]

[AllPurposeAtheist]

Quick show of hands everyone...be honest now.  How many of you just realized the nature of your sins after reading this threat..err thread and felt the JOY of Jesus enter your hearts?


It was something you ate..

[Moralnihilist]

Honest question for the OP. What makes you think that 1. this line of crap hasn't been disproven countless times before? and 2. That we need/want to be saved?

But in regards to the resurrection as "proof", answer this if you can. Why is it that in an area full of historians that wrote down EVERYTHING is there no contemporary record of this supposed resurrection occurring? These historians wrote down everyday occurrences, why did they not write down something that even today would be considered massive news? Any of the supposed miracles preformed by jesus would have been big news, yet there is no record of jesus even existing outside of the bible(a book not written until well after jesus death).

[Mermaid]

People say God can't create without time. Sure He can. He creates timelessly.

But....

There is no God.

[Mermaid]

Quick show of hands everyone...be honest now.  How many of you just realized the nature of your sins after reading this threat..err thread and felt the JOY of Jesus enter your hearts?


It was something you ate..

Ok, you got me. I'm convinced.

[AllPurposeAtheist]

Ok, you got me. I'm convinced.

It was something you ate?

[Mermaid]

I don't understand

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