Would Atheists support welfare? Why?

Started by mediumaevum, March 02, 2014, 02:18:34 PM

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La Dolce Vita

Quote from: VladK on March 17, 2014, 10:29:19 AM
Simple. Evolution says nothing about politics anymore than gravity.

Atheists are free to support or not support welfare. Personally, if I were to create a country from scratch I would not allow welfare, except maybe as a last resort after family, community, private NGO whatever failed to help you provide the basic necessities. Right now the US and other countries are spending WAY too much money and are in serious debt, the US alone has 17 trillion, it can't go on forever and it should have never reached this point.

But America failed due to it's lack of socialism, it's poorly regulated capitalism, and various ridiculous endeavors, such as trying to uphold their "empire" and invade loads of countries. The countries doing the best in the world are largely socialistic, that is a fact. And why should families be impoverished because a members gets sick? That's inhuman - particularly when socialism can secure them without causing the country to go into debt.

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Quote from: VladK on March 17, 2014, 10:29:19 AM
Personally, if I were to create a country from scratch I would not allow welfare, except maybe as a last resort after family, community, private NGO whatever failed to help you provide the basic necessities.

Then what would you do when you eventually became too old and/or infirm to be able to support yourself?
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josephpalazzo

Quote from: mediumaevum on March 02, 2014, 02:48:47 PM

Sometime in the future, these Welfare States would HAVE TO force the old people to undergo Euthanasia, to put a limit to how old people can get, in order to avoid bankruptcy and other crises.



No, you need is to reduce or abolish welfare handouts. Or, allow immigrants into the country.

doorknob

being that I'm on disability myself this is an issue that hits close to home.

I've always supported socialism even when I could work because with out it the financial world is imbalanced (at least in america). And I also think it's hard to compare the way humans live to the way things happen in nature because humans are very unnatural to start with. When's the last time you saw a rabbit or a fox use deodorant? So basing anything on Darwin's teachings is a stretch when applied to humans.

Also modern evolution does not teach survival of the fittest. It teaches survival of the most fertile. Even a weak species can survive if it out procreates a stronger one.

Could be true in humanity as well.

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doorknob

Same here. Though I am trying to sculpt ball jointed dolls and hopefully sell them someday.

AllPurposeAtheist

Cut welfare programs completely and you end up with soaring crime rates. In the perfect world everyone is offered the perfect job and every job pays enough to make it worth getting out of bed in the morning, but we know that's not the case.
Advocating killing off old people or people unable to work or people who live in areas with few jobs? This accomplishes exactly nothing and in fact would lead to far more crime than imaginable. Example,  if you tried to haul my 85 year old dad off for euthanasia I would do everything in my power to kill you first to protect him and so would any sane person so the whole social darwin argument is pure bullshit and based on your bullshit fantasy of being the alpha human.
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The fact that this is even being debated is disturbing to me---are we not human? Solitary
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