Author Topic: The scam of 'private probation'  (Read 2631 times)

Offline AllPurposeAtheist

The scam of 'private probation'
« on: February 06, 2014, 08:28:34 AM »
Several states now allow private, for profit companies collect fees from people who are put on probation in lieu of jail time, usually minor offenses. On the surface it might seem like a good idea and a way for local courts to save money administering probation, but scratch ever so slightly under the slimy film and it's real ugly. For some it can become permanent financial servitude.
http://http://m.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/02/the-private-probation-problem-is-worse-than-anyone-thought/283589/
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Offline stromboli

Re: The scam of 'private probation'
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2014, 09:47:06 AM »
My son was busted for possession way back when and then for having an open container in his vehicle. Ended up in the legal mill, having to do weekly drug testing, talk to a "counselor" or whatever for nearly two years. What a crock. He had to pay for all of that. Utah isn't nearly as bad as other states, but there is a whole invisible industry around the criminal justice system involving these businesses.

The Justice court- now gone, thank goodness- is based totally on the idea that lower income people can't afford lawyers. They basically get shafted by the court system and put into this mill that forces them to pay out money they can't afford and keep them in it for sometimes years. Those who can afford lawyers walk, pure and simple.

Offline AllPurposeAtheist

Re: The scam of 'private probation'
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2014, 09:56:05 AM »
I'm glad I was only getting in trouble when I was younger before this bullshit all started. A friend here at the Y has been on probation for over 3 years and has paid thousands out in fees.  It's utter horseshit.
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Re: The scam of 'private probation'
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2014, 11:09:00 AM »
Even worse, it's an incentive to commit crimes to pay the fees.
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Re: The scam of 'private probation'
« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2014, 12:19:00 PM »
Quote from: "AllPurposeAtheist"
Several states now allow private, for profit companies collect fees from people who are put on probation in lieu of jail time, usually minor offenses. On the surface it might seem like a good idea and a way for local courts to save money administering probation, but scratch ever so slightly under the slimy film and it's real ugly. For some it can become permanent financial servitude.
http://http://m.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/02/the-private-probation-problem-is-worse-than-anyone-thought/283589/

It's not private, it's contracted.
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Offline Thumpalumpacus

Re: The scam of 'private probation'
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2014, 12:50:08 PM »
The administration of justice ought to be a purely governmental function, staffed by government employees.
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Offline AllPurposeAtheist

Re: The scam of 'private probation'
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2014, 02:30:01 PM »
Quote from: "Jason_Harvestdancer"
Quote from: "AllPurposeAtheist"
Several states now allow private, for profit companies collect fees from people who are put on probation in lieu of jail time, usually.r offenses. On the surface it might seem like a good idea and a way for local courts to save money administering probation, but scratch ever so slightly under the slimy film and it's real ugly. For some it can become permanent financial servitude.
http://http://m.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/02/the-private-probation-problem-is-worse-than-anyone-thought/283589/

It's not private, it's contracted.
You majored in hair splitting didn't you?
It's run by and administered by private, for profit corporations who have absolutely no concern for justice or the well being of the people in their charge or the people who "contract" them. They're fucking collection agencies AT BEST.
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Offline Solitary

Re: The scam of 'private probation'
« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2014, 03:31:12 PM »
Who decided to privatize everything the government should run and control? One guess. When I was working in the school district here they wanted to privatize maintenance. It didn't work and they lost money because they had to replace all the roofing etc. But that's just what they wanted so they could have their friends do it just like they did the maintenance and get kickbacks after the government paid for it with our taxes.  It's all a big scam, and really money laundering.  :evil:  Solitary
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Re: The scam of 'private probation'
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2014, 03:58:47 PM »
Quote from: "AllPurposeAtheist"
Quote from: "Jason_Harvestdancer"
Quote from: "AllPurposeAtheist"
Several states now allow private, for profit companies collect fees from people who are put on probation in lieu of jail time, usually.r offenses. On the surface it might seem like a good idea and a way for local courts to save money administering probation, but scratch ever so slightly under the slimy film and it's real ugly. For some it can become permanent financial servitude.
http://http://m.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/02/the-private-probation-problem-is-worse-than-anyone-thought/283589/

It's not private, it's contracted.
You majored in hair splitting didn't you?
It's run by and administered by private, for profit corporations who have absolutely no concern for justice or the well being of the people in their charge or the people who "contract" them. They're fucking collection agencies AT BEST.

They are private and for profit.  Their whole customer base is the government.  Some of them have multiple customers, which means multiple state, city, and county governments.  They do not have a single private customer and would not exist without their government customers.

A private business has private customers.
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Re: The scam of 'private probation'
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2014, 08:29:44 PM »
That shit isn't anymore "private" than the mandatory drug/alcohol classes the courts sentence people to or the AA meetings, or any other rent seeking fucks sponging off the shit that drips down from the very public courts these days.  Fuckin leeches the lot of em.

Offline AllPurposeAtheist

Re: The scam of 'private probation'
« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2014, 08:38:18 PM »
Fuck jason..you think you're technically correct about everything..it must be that libertarian gene shit.. You better see a doctor about that. :roll:
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Re: The scam of 'private probation'
« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2014, 08:43:40 PM »
Except that he is correct about this.  For profit, private business in collusion with the government to fuck people over.  if only there was a word for that kind of activity.

Re: The scam of 'private probation'
« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2014, 10:27:05 PM »
Quote from: "billhilly"
Except that he is correct about this.  For profit, private business in collusion with the government to fuck people over.  if only there was a word for that kind of activity.

its called extortion...

Offline Solitary

Re: The scam of 'private probation'
« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2014, 11:35:10 AM »
So there is no difference between a government run program and a private one connected to the government? Give me a break! When the government does it the money is not made and tax money supports it. When it is privatized the government still pays into it and the company gets to charge for their services and skim off the top and make a profit. Typical Republican scam. Think Halliburton, and the Air Controllers with the attack on Unions so they don't have to pay as much in wages and benefits to create more jobs.  :evil:  Solitary
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Offline Thumpalumpacus

Re: The scam of 'private probation'
« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2014, 05:18:36 PM »
Oddly enough, NPR had a story about this very issue this afternoon. It reinforced the feeling I expressed in my first post, that justice ought to be an exclusive function of government.  The reportage including allegations of padding the bills of probationers with fees for non-court-ordered tracking devices, and jailing of probationers who'd paid more than what had been ordered by the court -- simply because they hadn't paid the "service fee" charged by the gaolers -- er, probation company.

This is a function of society that should only be performed by the government, because with the involvement of taxpayer money, we have the involvement of the taxpayer.  Just as we should accept responsibility for the flawed death-penalty system which has executed innocent people in the name of us, the People, so should the proper administration of justice be done in our name, and only for the purpose of cleansing society of these elements -- not for venal profit. I would include privately-run prisons in this opinion, too.

Put shortly, paying someone to punish someone else is a sure way to inflict injustice in the name of money.
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