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Nietzsche on Socialism

Started by zarus tathra, January 26, 2014, 10:40:12 PM

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Sal1981

Quote from: "Plu"And it seems to be working just fine.

Of course, all theoretical systems of economy/politics fail if applied strictly from the books. You always need to mix and match to get something that works.
What works, i.e. pragmatically, I think is best expressed in (European) Socialist Democracies, particularly of the Scandinavian flavour.

If Socialist Democracy is the best political philosophy or not is debeatable. I vote for a party that largely follows a Socialist Democratic ideology, because I see that as the best way to organize a society currently out of the parties available.

Although, I like a lot of the old stuff which came from Technocracy; just too bad there is no political party that wants to approach the ideology of Technocracy. But a pragmatic approach will do.

Shiranu

Yeah, I'm a big fan of Technocracy. Isn't that what they (somewhat) applied in Italy to try and get them stabilized? The only thing is it was forced on them rather than something they chose.
"A little science distances you from God, but a lot of science brings you nearer to Him." - Louis Pasteur

Sal1981

Quote from: "Shiranu"Yeah, I'm a big fan of Technocracy. Isn't that what they (somewhat) applied in Italy to try and get them stabilized? The only thing is it was forced on them rather than something they chose.
IDK, I'm gonna have to look that up.

frosty

Quote from: "Plu"And it seems to be working just fine.

Of course, all theoretical systems of economy/politics fail if applied strictly from the books. You always need to mix and match to get something that works.

Considering the extreme partisanship and political extremism that sometimes exists on this forum, you saying that to some people is like secular blasphemy.

zarus tathra

I'd be hesitant to call the Greek/Italian guys "technocrats." A technocrat would have a mathematical model and a set of data to support their policies, instead you just have "Let's just do what the IMF says."
?"Belief is always most desired, most pressingly needed, when there is a lack of will." -Friedrich Nietzsche

Ideals are imperfect. Morals are self-serving.

Shiranu

Quote from: "zarus tathra"I'd be hesitant to call the Greek/Italian guys "technocrats." A technocrat would have a mathematical model and a set of data to support their policies, instead you just have "Let's just do what the IMF says."

That's what I figured. They were labeled as technocrats and theoretically were the one's qualified for it but I am skeptical of how Technocrat they really were. Hard to know without knowing what was going on behind the scenes.
"A little science distances you from God, but a lot of science brings you nearer to Him." - Louis Pasteur

zarus tathra

Exactly, too much is happening "behind the scenes" without any transparency. If Nasa can be open about its technology, then the secrecy surrounding the world's currency policy is, if not outright suspicious, then inexcusably pretentious.
?"Belief is always most desired, most pressingly needed, when there is a lack of will." -Friedrich Nietzsche

Ideals are imperfect. Morals are self-serving.

La Dolce Vita

Nietzsche appears to be talking about "Socialism", the stage in communist ideology that's supposed to lead into a communist utopia. This has zero to do with most modern applications of socialism, in which it works side by side with capitalism in free societies.

zarus tathra

"Good but not perfect." That's realistic.
?"Belief is always most desired, most pressingly needed, when there is a lack of will." -Friedrich Nietzsche

Ideals are imperfect. Morals are self-serving.