Is Freefall Proof of Controlled Demolition?

[josephpalazzo]

ITT: Morons who can't understand that gradual processes can bring about sudden and catastrophic results.

It's called Chaos Theory.

BTW, Einstein had discovered chaos motion in a paper he published in 1917. But nobody picked that up. It was only in the 1970's that people realized Einstein had already thread those waters before anyone else. This is conclusive proof that a genius like Einstein can advance human knowledge by half a century.

If only the Conspiracy Theorists would take a page from that. But I digress...

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[Jason78]

Also, care to provide some math proving that Building 7 was in freefall? (I happen to know that freefall would have been quite a lot faster.)

I could, but I won't.  Why should I bother?  

I'd actually like to see the math :)  I like numbers.

No, I can not show you that demolition charges were placed at the site any more than you can show me Osama bin Laden masterminded the attack.

So we're agreed.  You don't know what charges were used, where they were placed, who placed them, how they were detonated, or when.  But you still expect me to believe that your demolition theory is correct.  Even though there is documented evidence of the building slowly deforming and then suddenly giving way.

I don't know why I would show you evidence that Osama masterminded the attack.  I've never asserted that he had.

Fire, and don't forget that some of those load bearing steel girders would have been removed by the several tons of plane slamming into them.  The towers didn't instantly collapse when they were hit by planes.  They stayed up for a little bit while the steel gradually got weaker and weaker until the force exerted by the weight of the stories above exceeded the sheer strength of the steel.  At that point I'd expect the support to approach zero fairly instantaneously.

Several tons of plane slamming into WTC 7? ? ? ? ?   :shock:
First time I ever heard that!  Can you provide me with a link or something to show that WTC 7 was hit by a plane?  If so, which plane?  One plane hit WTC 1, a second plane hit WTC 2, a third plane hit the Pentagon, and a fourth plane crashed into a field.  Was there a fith plane that crashed into WTC 7?  Or did one of the planes hit two buildings?  or what?

Sorry, I misspoke.  WTC 7 collapsed after being by the substantial debris flying out of WTC 1.  See paragraph L.2.1

[Hijiri Byakuren]

Do you think that damaged side of that building made it collapse like it did?

Perhaps you're not understanding what I mean by "hole."



Picture that, but bigger, and not quite reaching the other side. You don't get the kind of smoke cloud Building 7 had without that kind of damage.

[The Skeletal Atheist]

You know, forensic teams at the site would have picked up evidence of explosives. So for those of you stating that a controlled demolition took place you also have to account for the fact that out of the hundreds of forensic scientists, materials specialists, explosives experts, and other assorted people trained to notice this sort of thing NOT ONE of them came forward and said ANYTHING.

 These aren't people associated with the government, they're civilians from all walks of life who spent years sifting through and studying the debris, and yet not a single fucking one has come forward to suggest that explosives were used. When you suggest that explosive charges were used you are contradicting the largest forensic investigation of its kind. The burden of evidence is on you to prove that explosives were used, and "the buildings didn't fall in the way I expected them to" doesn't cut it.

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[Hijiri Byakuren]

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Nano-thermite explosives shown above were gathered from the WTC debris shortly after the towers fell on 9/11.  Brigham Young University Physics Professor, Dr. Steven Jones, discovered the explosives and joined an international team of nine scientists for further analysis.  Through extensive laboratory testing, the scientists concluded that the samples were Nano-thermitic explosives.

http://investigate911.org/Nano-thermite.htm

Oh, and did you know that there was $40million spent on investigating the Clinton/Lewinsky scandal, but only $14 million spent on investigating the 9/11 events?

Thermite doesn't burn like that.

[The Skeletal Atheist]

Oh, and did you know that there was $40million spent on investigating the Clinton/Lewinsky scandal, but only $14 million spent on investigating the 9/11 events?

That was money spent on the commission alone. You're conveniently leaving out what was spent on other organisations investigating 9/11. So congrats, you're either dishonest and misleading or really dumb. Take your pick.

[Solitary]

Considering no one here actually knows what happen leaves the question of what really happen unknown. It does seem strange to me that three building went down from two planes, and our CIA had no idea it was going to happen, considering they were attacked before, and France warned them that they had a warning of an attack on the Eifel Tower by a plane. Also, these buildings were constructed to take a hit from a 747 jumbo jet. Not all conspiracy theories are without evidence they were planned ahead, including JFK and his brother. Spying on us by the government was just a theory before the truth came out. Solitary

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[The Skeletal Atheist]

Oh, and did you know that there was $40million spent on investigating the Clinton/Lewinsky scandal, but only $14 million spent on investigating the 9/11 events?

That was money spent on the commission alone. You're conveniently leaving out what was spent on other organisations investigating 9/11. So congrats, you're either dishonest and misleading or really dumb. Take your pick.

I should have stated, That's what the gov't spent on investigating 9/11. Strange they didn't spend more on it though, right? I mean, this was a huge event. Bigger, IMO, than Lewinsky. And now here we are spending trillions on the wars. You've said people should just let 9/11 go? No way. Do you forget what is going on over seas since 9/11 because of what the gov't told us happened on 9/11!? Shutting that out and just spewing "Oh, let 9/11 go, it was YEARS ago!" To me, that's dumb.

That was ONE government commission. While I can't find details of how much they were funded, the FBI spent nearly 4 million hours by June of 2002 investigating 9/11 under PENTTBOM. It was their largest and most extensive investigation ever. They used 7000 agents in their investigation efforts. 7000 out of the 11000 they had at the time.

 NIST was allocated $16 million in September 2002 to investigate.

Now add to that the investigations by insurance companies and other parties and the costs are fucking astronomical.

Dishonest or dumb, what are you?

[Thumpalumpacus]

Now, freefall means that 100% of energy is being used to propel the building toward the ground.  Id est, there is 0% energy remaining to crush the structural steel and concrete.  Even if the steel was weakened by the heat, you could not pulverize concrete with zero energy nor could you turn "weakened" steel into pretzels.  Have you ever tried to pulverize concrete and bend weakened steel?  I would like to see a demonstration.

You seem to have forgotten this basic bit of physics: F=m*a

[Insult to Rocks]

Considering no one here actually knows what happen leaves the question of what really happen unknown. It does seem strange to me that three building went down from two planes, and our CIA had no idea it was going to happen, considering they were attacked before, and France warned them that they had a warning of an attack on the Eifel Tower by a plane. Also, these buildings were constructed to take a hit from a 747 jumbo jet. Not all conspiracy theories are without evidence they were planned ahead, including JFK and his brother. Spying on us by the government was just a theory before the truth came out. Solitary

Again, the WTC attacks were not the only ones. If you have a theory that includes the other two attacks, fell free to share. So far the most of gotten out of any of these theories regarding the other two planes is a I don't know and a it wasn't a plane.

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[Insult to Rocks]

Here, I found a link that talks alllll about various 9/11 "theories" and how ridiculous they are. Please read. They specifically address the "thermite theory" as well.
 http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories