Author Topic: A cure for homosexuality  (Read 7749 times)

Offline aitm

Re: A cure for homosexuality
« Reply #90 on: January 02, 2014, 04:35:06 PM »
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I would think it's way easier to make someone religious than it would be to make some straight.

My understanding that sexuality is most likely hard-wired genetically and therefore would be possible to tweak a strand or 30, but rationality I would think would be more nuture than nature and as with intelligence is subject to exterior influences. Do you think they could influence rational thinking at that stage?

 
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Making someone atheist in-utero isn't even part of the question;

I thought the entire OP was about doing this entirely in-utero which is why my responses were such. I would not opt for "fixes" to kids already born. Perhaps I misunderstood the premise.
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Offline Plu

Re: A cure for homosexuality
« Reply #91 on: January 02, 2014, 04:38:32 PM »
The premise of the OP is to do things in utero, but my question was about making kids religious in the uterus. Again; you keep talking about making kids more rational, but what you want is the opposite. People are hardwired to be irrational; just like they are generally hardwired to be straight. It is the highly rational people who are out of the ordinary. That's why most of the world is religious and will never change from that. All you're doing is bringing your child more in line with the norm.
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Offline aitm

Re: A cure for homosexuality
« Reply #92 on: January 02, 2014, 07:03:16 PM »
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The premise of the OP is to do things in utero, but my question was about making kids religious in the uterus.

Again, I don't see how that could be done as I have never heard of a premise that religiosity could be genetic


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Again; you keep talking about making kids more rational, but what you want is the opposite.
again, I don't think I have said anything about making anyone rational.


 
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People are hardwired to be irrational;
I have never heard of such a premise, perhaps you have some backup?

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just like they are generally hardwired to be straight.
If in "general" you mean a larger percentage then yes, I am under the belief that humanity has always had homosexuality as a certain percentage although with mild variations in points, but I have no proof of that.

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It is the highly rational people who are out of the ordinary. That's why most of the world is religious and will never change from that.
again, not only have I never heard of such a premise but how can it be tested when children are indoctrinated at such a young age? I have a real hard time believing this.


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All you're doing is bringing your child more in line with the norm.
I agree that is what I would be doing by removing a "stigma" in utero. I have no problems with that.
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Offline Plu

Re: A cure for homosexuality
« Reply #93 on: January 03, 2014, 02:35:27 AM »
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All of them are based on the same premise: the brain is hardwired to jump to conclusions, not to think rationally about things. People are naturally irrational about things. Rationality has to be taught, and teaching people is hard.


Edit I also did a quick search for the opposite position, but I couldn't find anything. If you look for "people are hardwired to be rational" you mostly get the same articles about why they're not.
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Re: A cure for homosexuality
« Reply #94 on: January 03, 2014, 09:29:13 AM »
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All of them are based on the same premise: the brain is hardwired to jump to conclusions, not to think rationally about things. People are naturally irrational about things. Rationality has to be taught, and teaching people is hard.


Edit I also did a quick search for the opposite position, but I couldn't find anything. If you look for "people are hardwired to be rational" you mostly get the same articles about why they're not.

Good stuff Plu. I would counter that religiosity is a mere one of many irrationalities that could easily be interchangeable. We see in children their growth and irrationality in, like many of us still do, attaching living essence to inanimate objects. I would say that, as one article pointed out that irrationality was perhaps evolutionary in that it may have been beneficial to act suddenly on a whim/hunch based on no rational belief but on past events. It may be irrational to run when the wind blows and a leaf rustles, but in the past when leaf rustles a predator was causing it.

Religion perhaps is merely the one of many devices that supplanted this irrational behavior. Those who have never been involved in religion probably have the same irrational behavior only attributed to a different action, perhaps more of a lean towards animism, or superstitions. I wonder if that could be modified and even if that would be a good idea.
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