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Started by gracedwithlife, December 25, 2013, 02:30:15 AM

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stromboli

QuoteLuke 6:37
"Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven;

James 4:12
There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?

Romans 2:1-3
Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things. We know that the judgment of God rightly falls on those who practice such things. Do you suppose, O man—you who judge those who practice such things and yet do them yourself—that you will escape the judgment of God
You came on our forum most arrogantly and immediately began to judge us. You said we hate god. We do not hate what we do not believe in. The only hypocrite here is you.

Plu

Yeah exactly. The only difference is homeschool physics like yours are wrong.

I'll let you in a bit of advice that could shatter your world. Anything that is simple to understand is probably wrong. Or, if you're lucky, merely incomplete. Nothing is ever simple. If you accept this, you'll be part of a handful of people who actually realise what kind of world they're living in.

But you'll probably continue to lead a simple life made possible by the few people who do realise, as unfortunately you don't need to understand the complexity of the world to use the spoils of understanding it. (As simply shown by the fact that you can use a computer without knowing the first bit about the reality that makes it possible.)

gracedwithlife

Quote from: "stromboli"
QuoteLuke 6:37
"Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven;

James 4:12
There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?

Romans 2:1-3
Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things. We know that the judgment of God rightly falls on those who practice such things. Do you suppose, O man—you who judge those who practice such things and yet do them yourself—that you will escape the judgment of God
You came on our forum most arrogantly and immediately began to judge us. You said we hate god. We do not hate what we do not believe in. The only hypocrite here is you.
Shutting your mind down to what is clearly proven is hate.

gracedwithlife

Quote from: "Plu"Yeah exactly. The only difference is homeschool physics like yours are wrong.

I'll let you in a bit of advice that could shatter your world. Anything that is simple to understand is probably wrong. Or, if you're lucky, merely incomplete. Nothing is ever simple. If you accept this, you'll be part of a handful of people who actually realise what kind of world they're living in.

But you'll probably continue to lead a simple life made possible by the few people who do realise, as unfortunately you don't need to understand the complexity of the world to use the spoils of understanding it. (As simply shown by the fact that you can use a computer without knowing the first bit about the reality that makes it possible.)
That's just a bunch of vague talk. The fact remains, infinite regress is impossible. So nature needs a cause outside of itself.

stromboli

Quote from: "gracedwithlife"
Quote from: "stromboli"
QuoteLuke 6:37
"Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven;

James 4:12
There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?

Romans 2:1-3
Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things. We know that the judgment of God rightly falls on those who practice such things. Do you suppose, O man—you who judge those who practice such things and yet do them yourself—that you will escape the judgment of God
You came on our forum most arrogantly and immediately began to judge us. You said we hate god. We do not hate what we do not believe in. The only hypocrite here is you.
Shutting your mind down to what is clearly proven is hate.

The only person to whom it is clearly proven is you, and you are still the perpetrator of these accusations, which makes you the condemned. Read your own scriptures. You started this, we didn't.

gracedwithlife

Quote from: "stromboli"The only person to whom it is clearly proven is you, and you are still the perpetrator of these accusations, which makes you the condemned. Read your own scriptures. You started this, we didn't.
But you didn't show anything wrong with the proof.

If there was this infinite regress of cause and effects, you would have had an eternity to come into being before now, so you should have already happened.

stromboli

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Quote from: "gracedwithlife"
Quote from: "stromboli"The only person to whom it is clearly proven is you, and you are still the perpetrator of these accusations, which makes you the condemned. Read your own scriptures. You started this, we didn't.
But you didn't show anything wrong with the proof.

If there was this infinite regress of cause and effects, you would have had an eternity to come into being before now, so you should have already happened.

you are forgetting that there is evidence of multiple-possibly infinite- universes. You mentioned Quantum physics. Quantum physics allows for that. Infinite regress in infinite universes is therefore also a possibility, and that does not preclude the existence of a god.

And you are still a hypocrite and an arrogant asshole by coming on to our forum to condemn us. we did nothing to you, so this is an unprovoked attack against us, which makes you a sinner by your own standards.

gracedwithlife

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Quote from: "gracedwithlife"
Quote from: "stromboli"The only person to whom it is clearly proven is you, and you are still the perpetrator of these accusations, which makes you the condemned. Read your own scriptures. You started this, we didn't.
But you didn't show anything wrong with the proof.

If there was this infinite regress of cause and effects, you would have had an eternity to come into being before now, so you should have already happened.

you are forgetting that there is evidence of multiple-possibly infinite- universes. You mentioned Quantum physics. Quantum physics allows for that. Infinite regress in infinite universes is therefore also a possibility, and that does not preclude the existence of a god.
It doesn't matter how many universes there are, there is still cause and effect so that infinite regress is impossible, because you would have already happened, having had an eternity to do so.

wolf39us

You cannot say there are only A or B and if A is not true therefore B.

This is an argument from ignorance, just because we don't have the answer doesn't mean "therefore God".  

And why should we assume there are only two options?

Plu

QuoteThat's just a bunch of vague talk.

If you consider basic science vague talk, you'll have a lot of problems in life.

No wait.

Science just works, so I guess you'll be fine. You can just use everything around you without ever understanding it. Lucky you.

stromboli

Whats the matter, didn't daddy give you your Barbie doll? All you've done on here is reproach, condemn and chastise. How many times do you need to be reminded that your actions by your own standards are arrogant and sinful? You can talk infinite regress and any other BS you want but ultimately can't prove. You condemn yourself by your own actions, you sinful little girl.

gracedwithlife

Quote from: "wolf39us"You cannot say there are only A or B and if A is not true therefore B.

This is an argument from ignorance, just because we don't have the answer doesn't mean "therefore God".  

And why should we assume there are only two options?
I am not saying that.

I am saying if infinite regress were true, you would have happened already having had an eternity to do so, so nature needs a cause outside itself, outside of time and space, being uncreated.

wolf39us

Quote from: "gracedwithlife"But you didn't show anything wrong with the proof

Shifting Burden of Proof
Negative Proof Falacy

Take your pic

gracedwithlife

Quote from: "Plu"
QuoteThat's just a bunch of vague talk.

If you consider basic science vague talk, you'll have a lot of problems in life.

No wait.

Science just works, so I guess you'll be fine. You can just use everything around you without ever understanding it. Lucky you.
I was referring to your vague talk, not science.

gracedwithlife

Quote from: "wolf39us"
Quote from: "gracedwithlife"But you didn't show anything wrong with the proof

Shifting Burden of Proof
Negative Proof Falacy

Take your pic
The proof was given. You didn't find anything wrong with the proof so the proof remains unchallenged.