The Central Problems for Atheism, and Why Religion is True

[gracedwithlife]

If atheism is true does that mean nature comes from nothing?

Or does it mean the universe or universes always existed in past infinite cause and effects?

My problem with these two theories of atheism is that that which does not existence (i.e. non-existence) can't cause anything because such doesn't exist. How can something that does not exist cause anything? That's goofy.

And if there is an infinite past of universe(s) that equally makes no sense to me because you would have had an eternity of the past to come into being before now so you should have already happened.

It's even self-contradictory because if there was an eternity of the past of cause and effects as defined by eternity, you should never have existed because a past eternity would continue to go on for eternity never reaching this present time.

Are atheists mad?

Therefore, I come to the realization religion is true, because religion is the way to God, and God must exist because atheism is false. The universe needs a cause outside of time and space being uncreated whom we call God.

[Shiranu]

If atheism is true does that mean nature comes from nothing?

Or does it mean the universe or universes always existed in past infinite cause and effects?

If Christianity is true, does that mean god comes from nothing?

Or does it mean that god always existed?

Are Christians mad when they imply atheists are silly for believing that nature can come from nothing/always existed, when they themselves believe that an even more complex, divine being came from nothing/always existed?

[gracedwithlife]

If God always existed, He wouldn't come from nothing. He wouldn't come from anything, because He always existed.

God is simpler than the complex contrivances of atheism and always having to account for an infinite regress of cause and effects or unexplained phenomenon of something from nothing. That's goofy.

[Shiranu]

If God always existed, He wouldn't come from nothing. He wouldn't come from anything, because He always existed.

If nature always existed, it wouldn't have to come from nothing. It wouldn't come from anything, because it always existed.

How is god simpler than natural laws, that we can observe working, being the root of nature? And your god is just as suspect to infinite regress, infact far more-so, than nature because he defies the very laws of nature.

[Hijiri Byakuren]

If atheism is true does that mean nature comes from nothing?

Good question. When science has an answer, we'll be sure to let you know.

Or does it mean the universe or universes always existed in past infinite cause and effects?

Good question. When science has an answer, we'll be sure to let you know.

My problem with these two theories of atheism is that that which does not existence (i.e. non-existence) can't cause anything because such doesn't exist. How can something that does not exist cause anything? That's goofy.

Indeed it is. Who told you we believed such a thing? I need to go strangle him.

And if there is an infinite past of universe(s) that equally makes no sense to me because you would have had an eternity of the past to come into being before now so you should have already happened.

You don't know that, and you shouldn't pretend that you do.

It's even self-contradictory because if there was an eternity of the past of cause and effects as defined by eternity, you should never have existed because a past eternity would continue to go on for eternity never reaching this present time.

You really need to look up the scientific definition of space-time.

Are atheists mad?

No, we're criminally sane.

Therefore, I come to the realization religion is true, because religion is the way to God, and God must exist because atheism is false. The universe needs a cause outside of time and space being uncreated whom we call God.

The universe needs no such thing. If you understood how space-time works, you would realize this.

[gracedwithlife]

I already said in the opening post...

...And if there is an infinite past of universe(s) that equally makes no sense to me because you would have had an eternity of the past to come into being before now so you should have already happened.

...It's even self-contradictory because if there was an eternity of the past of cause and effects as defined by eternity, you should never have existed because a past eternity would continue to go on for eternity never reaching this present time.

We can't observe many natural laws because they are hidden from view, beyond our ability to understand, and to observe those laws for eternity into the past is no easy challenge.

God would not be subject to the infinite regress conundrum of nature, because God is outside of nature. And so He doesn't violate anything.

[Hijiri Byakuren]

If God always existed, He wouldn't come from nothing. He wouldn't come from anything, because He always existed.

God is simpler than the complex contrivances of atheism and always having to account for an infinite regress of cause and effects or unexplained phenomenon of something from nothing. That's goofy.

If the universe wasn't created, whence cometh the creator?

Any idiotic idea of god being eternal can be applied to the universe as well. Occam's Razor states that we must not introduce unneeded variables. God is an unneeded variable.

[gracedwithlife]

It's illogical to ask where God came from if He always existed.

[gracedwithlife]

Introducing infinite regress and something from nothing violates Occam's Razor.

[Shiranu]

It's illogical to ask where God came from if He always existed.

It's illogical to ask where the universe came from if it always existed.

[gracedwithlife]

You can't apply God to eternal regress because that implies time, and God exists outside of time and space.

[Rex Rgis Verum]

Goddamn, this assertion is neither original nor clever. Occam's razor, go look it up.

[gracedwithlife]

But the universe can't always have existed as was said in the opening post...

...And if there is an infinite past of universe(s) that equally makes no sense to me because you would have had an eternity of the past to come into being before now so you should have already happened.

...It's even self-contradictory because if there was an eternity of the past of cause and effects as defined by eternity, you should never have existed because a past eternity would continue to go on for eternity never reaching this present time.

[gracedwithlife]

Rex,

Introducing infinite regress and something from nothing violates Occam's Razor.

[Rex Rgis Verum]

You can't apply God to eternal regress because that implies time, and God exists outside of time and space.

You can't apply God to reality because God exists outside of it.