Why does Islam embrace child rape?

[goodwithoutgod]

"Muhammad was married to thirteen women, including eleven at one time. He relegated them to either consecutive days or (according to some accounts) all in one night. He married a 9-year-old girl and even his adopted son's wife. On top of that, Muhammad had a multitude of slave girls and concubines with whom he had sex - sometimes on the very days in which they had watched their husbands and fathers die at the hands of his army."

So, by any realistic measure, the creator of the world's most sexually restrictive religion was also one of the most sexually indulgent characters in history.

From the Hadith:

Muslim (8:3309) - Muhammad consummated his marriage to Aisha when she was only nine. (See also Bukhari 58:234 and many other places). No where in the reliable Hadith or Sira is there any other age given.

Bukhari (62:18) - Aisha's father, Abu Bakr, wasn't on board at first, but Muhammad explained how the rules of their religion made it possible. This is similar to the way that present-day cult leaders manipulate their followers into similar concessions.

Muslim (8:3311) - The girl took her dolls with her to Muhammad's house (something to play with when the "prophet" was not having sex with her).

Bukhari (6:298) - Muhammad would take a bath with the little girl and fondle her.

Muslim (8:3460) - "Why didn't you marry a young girl so that you could sport with her and she sport with you, or you could amuse with her and she could amuse with you?" Muhammad posed this question to one of his followers who had married an "older woman" instead of opting to fondle a child.

Bukhari (4:232) - Muhammad's wives would wash semen stains out of his clothes, which were still wet from the spot-cleaning even when he went to the mosque for prayers. Between copulation and prayer, it's a wonder he found the time to slay pagans.

Bukhari (6:300) - Muhammad's wives had to be available for the prophet's fondling even when they were having their menstrual period.

Bukhari (93:639) - The Prophet of Islam would recite the 'Holy Qur'an' with his head in Aisha's lap, when she was menstruating.

Bukhari (62:6) - "The Prophet used to go round (have sexual relations with) all his wives in one night, and he had nine wives." Muhammad also said that it was impossible to treat all wives equally - and it isn't hard to guess why.

Bukhari (5:268) - "The Prophet used to visit all his wives in a round, during the day and night and they were eleven in number." I asked Anas, 'Had the Prophet the strength for it?' Anas replied, 'We used to say that the Prophet was given the strength of thirty men.' "

Bukhari (60:311) - "I feel that your Lord hastens in fulfilling your wishes and desires." These words were spoken by Aisha within the context of her husband having been given 'Allah's permission' to fulfill his sexual desires with a large number of women in whatever order he chooses. (It has been suggested that Aisha may have been speaking somewhat wryly).

Muslim (8:3424) - One of several narrations in which a leering Muhammad orders a clearly startled woman to suckle a grown man with her breast so that he will become "unlawful" to her - meaning that they can live under the same roof together.

Tabari IX:137 - "Allah granted Rayhana of the Qurayza to Muhammad as booty." Muhammad considered the women that he captured and enslaved to be God's gift to him.

Tabari VIII:117 - "Dihyah had asked the Messenger for Safiyah when the Prophet chose her for himself... the Apostle traded for Safiyah by giving Dihyah her two cousins. The women of Khaybar were distributed among the Muslims." He sometimes pulled rank to reserve the most beautiful captured women for himself.

On the other hand, Muhammad passed down revelations from Allah that clearly condoned sleeping with underage girls, even by the standard of puberty. Qur'an (65:4) relates rules for divorce, one of them being that a waiting period of three months is established to determine that the woman is not pregnant. But the same rule applies to "those too who have not had their courses," meaning girls who have not begun to menstruate.

Thanks to Muhammad's extremely poor judgment (at best) and explicit approval of pedophilia, sex with children became deeply ingrained in the Islamic tradition. For many centuries, Muslim armies would purge Christian and Hindu peasant villages of their menfolk and send the women and children to harems and the thriving child sex slave markets deep in the Islamic world.

When it comes to child marriage, contemporary clerics warn fellow Muslims against succumbing to the disapproval of the Christian West: "It behooves those who call for setting a minimum age for marriage to fear Allah and not contradict his Sharia, or try to legislate things Allah did not permit. For laws are Allah's province; and legislation is his excusive right, to be shared by none other. And among these are the rules governing marriage."

The Ayatollah Khomeini, who married a 12-year-old girl, even gave his consent to using infants for sexual pleasure (although warning against full penetration until the baby is a few years older).

Some clerics show relative mercy on underage girls by advocating a process known as "thighing" (also known as child molestation in the West). According to a recent fatwa (number 23672), an imam answers this question: "My parents married me to a young girl who hasn't yet reached puberty. How can I enjoy her sexually?" by telling the 'man' that he may "hug her, kiss her, and ejaculate between her legs."

A prominent member of Saudi Arabia's highest religious council said in 2012 that girls can be married "even if they are in the cradle," then went on to explain that intercourse may occur whenever "they are capable of being placed beneath and bearing the weight of the man."

stop the bacha bazi tradition, you know the hiring and raping of little boys...or the marrying of 9 yo girls, raping them the night of the wedding and then when the child dies from bleeding, not even holding the man accountable, the mutilation of girls genitals so that she doesnt feel pleasure, the stoning of women accused of adultery, the honor killing of daughters who had the audacity to allow themselves to be raped...etc etc you know, all those great islam traditions.

by the way it is 2013, time to join the rest of the civilized world in living within socially acceptable standards like not raping children, etc...

So my question is, why does Islam support child rape?

[Cocoa Beware]

Why? Because to Muslims the prophet is righteous and the example he sets is irrefutable.

Im with you, I think its all thoroughly fucked up. The problem is that from birth people are not given any choice but to embrace this pig as a role model.

[leo]

The prophet Mohammed would be a great catholic priest.

[Jmpty]

I don't know. Why does anyone embrace child rape?

[aitm]

Why? Because they say no when you ask them.

[Hijiri Byakuren]

I don't know. Why does anyone embrace child rape?

Because no means yes, and yes means yes, and the age of consent is ANYTIME.

In all seriousness, I think it's similar to why adults are raped. An adult rapist gets off on having absolute power over another human being in the sexual sense. A child rapist is similar, but gets off on having power over the powerless. Now, get a bunch of those guys together to found a religion, and...
There's also the issue of  having a screw loose in your brain that makes you attracted to children.

[Solitary]

Because they can and get away with it because they are blessed by God and can do no wrong, and their followers are idiots that don't question authority because their parents were abusive too.  :roll: Solitary

[leo]

Because they can and get away with it because they are blessed by God and can do no wrong, and their followers are idiots that don't question authority because their parents were abusive too.  :roll: Solitary

^^^ this . :-|

[Mister Agenda]

Islam is way too vast for a generic claim like 'Islam embraces child rape' to be true. Shia Muslims believe Asha was as much as 10 years older than the Sunni do, and there are political reasons why the Sunni would prefer her to be younger and the Shia would prefer her to be older. Quran-only Muslims reject the Hadiths as authoritative, and Shia and Sunni differ on which Hadiths they accept as authentic. To my knowledge, all Imams in modern times who have indicated that marriages at such a young age are acceptable have been Sunni Salafists operating within theocratic regimes.

Of course, Mary was five years older than Asha when she was married to Joseph, so that's fine and no one ever starts a thread about Christians embracing child rape. Old enough to bleed, old enough to breed, right? According to tradition, Joseph was 90 when 12 year-old Mary was taken into his household to raise his youngest son James. They didn't marry until she was the ripe old age of 14 1/2. There is just as much reason to believe this account is factual as there is to believe the same of the Hadiths.

[Jason78]

The prophet Mohammed would be a great catholic priest.

Probably got moved to a new parish so often he ended up half a world away!

[goodwithoutgod]

Why? Because to Muslims the prophet is righteous and the example he sets is irrefutable.

Im with you, I think its all thoroughly fucked up. The problem is that from birth people are not given any choice but to embrace this pig as a role model.

very true, I have long said in the vast majority of the time, your religion is based on where you were born/raised.

[goodwithoutgod]

Islam is way too vast for a generic claim like 'Islam embraces child rape' to be true. Shia Muslims believe Asha was as much as 10 years older than the Sunni do, and there are political reasons why the Sunni would prefer her to be younger and the Shia would prefer her to be older. Quran-only Muslims reject the Hadiths as authoritative, and Shia and Sunni differ on which Hadiths they accept as authentic. To my knowledge, all Imams in modern times who have indicated that marriages at such a young age are acceptable have been Sunni Salafists operating within theocratic regimes.

Of course, Mary was five years older than Asha when she was married to Joseph, so that's fine and no one ever starts a thread about Christians embracing child rape. Old enough to bleed, old enough to breed, right? According to tradition, Joseph was 90 when 12 year-old Mary was taken into his household to raise his youngest son James. They didn't marry until she was the ripe old age of 14 1/2. There is just as much reason to believe this account is factual as there is to believe the same of the Hadiths.

Good point, however it is a cultural problem based on religious belief that it is sanctioned and appropriate, THAT is the problem. Christians (I am an Atheist by the way) don't create laws/Fatwahs saying it is okay to marry and bed a child as long as she can bear the man's weight, nor do their religous leaders endorse child rape, "thighing" infants, nor does their culture endorse the bacha bazi type pedo behavior, nor do they stone women for adultery in modern times, nor do they honor kill their daughters for the heinous crime of "allowing" themselves to be raped, and for them even to accuse someone of rape they must have a certain number of credible witnesses to the crime for charges to even be considered. So as much I hate religion and the delusion called faith, I have to say you are talking apples and oranges. Really bad comparison. SO again, why does the Islam culture embrace and endorse child rape culturally?

[Jmpty]

Warren Jeffs is a Muslim? I didn't know.

[baronvonrort]

Praise be to Allah

Marriage to a young girl before she reaches puberty is permissible according to sharia.

Al Tabari on al-Talaaq 65:4
The same applies to the iddah for girls who do not menstruate because they are too young, if their husbands divorce them after consummating the marriage with them.
//http://www.islamqa.com/en/12708

Mohammad was a pedo, the Quran tells you to follow the example Mo set in 33/21.
//http://www.quran.com/33/21

[Cocoa Beware]

Islam is way too vast for a generic claim like 'Islam embraces child rape' to be true. Shia Muslims believe Asha was as much as 10 years older than the Sunni do, and there are political reasons why the Sunni would prefer her to be younger and the Shia would prefer her to be older. Quran-only Muslims reject the Hadiths as authoritative, and Shia and Sunni differ on which Hadiths they accept as authentic. To my knowledge, all Imams in modern times who have indicated that marriages at such a young age are acceptable have been Sunni Salafists operating within theocratic regimes.

Of course, Mary was five years older than Asha when she was married to Joseph, so that's fine and no one ever starts a thread about Christians embracing child rape. Old enough to bleed, old enough to breed, right? According to tradition, Joseph was 90 when 12 year-old Mary was taken into his household to raise his youngest son James. They didn't marry until she was the ripe old age of 14 1/2. There is just as much reason to believe this account is factual as there is to believe the same of the Hadiths.

Christianity has a very serious problem with child rape itself no doubt, and their continuous denial and neglect when it comes to victims is nothing less then despicable.

But with Islam there is a very serious distinction where you have clergy members who do not condemn it in any way whatsoever.