Why I am beginning to hate science/research

[mediumaevum]

I used to be "fan of science".

This has dramatically decreased the past 2 years though. The reason for this is because politics gets involved into the research in the way that it can and WILL abuse human rights.

For example, mentally abnormal people will be forced to take medication or accept a "cure" for their "abnormalities". Science and research helps pave this way. We are not talking about abnormal people who commit a crime, but people who may or may not recieve welfare.

Today the Danish government went one step further: They want to make it a DUTY for Danish citizens, if chosen, to participate in scientific research projects for the common good of society.

http://www.dr.dk/Nyheder/Indland/2013/10/11/070311.htm
(Danish article).

Today, the the local municipality already have the opportunity to force depressive patients to recieve electroconvulsive therapy (ECT). They can also force physically ill people to undergo risky surgery.

This law will inevitably lead to a massive abuse of our basic human rights. All in the name of science.

I hate science!

[Plu]

So you hate science because it is abused by politicians?

That doesn't seem very consistent. You should hate politicians instead, they're the ones making a mess of things.

[Jason78]

I lovforslaget står der, at danskerne bare kan smide breve ud, hvis de ikke vil være en del af en undersøgelse.

The bill says that the Danes can just throw out letters if they do not want to be part of a study.

Either Google Translate is way off, or no one is being forced to do anything.

[Jason78]

For example, mentally abnormal people will be forced to take medication or accept a "cure" for their "abnormalities". Science and research helps pave this way. We are not talking about abnormal people who commit a crime, but people who may or may not recieve welfare.

Today, the the local municipality already have the opportunity to force depressive patients to recieve electroconvulsive therapy (ECT). They can also force physically ill people to undergo risky surgery.

Sick people don't always make the best decisions.  Doctors have a duty of care towards their patients and are responsible should they discharge a patient at risk.

[Johan]

I love the smell of troll in the morning.

[Jmpty]

Come with me. You're not well.

[mediumaevum]

For example, mentally abnormal people will be forced to take medication or accept a "cure" for their "abnormalities". Science and research helps pave this way. We are not talking about abnormal people who commit a crime, but people who may or may not recieve welfare.

Today, the the local municipality already have the opportunity to force depressive patients to recieve electroconvulsive therapy (ECT). They can also force physically ill people to undergo risky surgery.

Sick people don't always make the best decisions.  Doctors have a duty of care towards their patients and are responsible should they discharge a patient at risk.

The problem is that this is the decision of the municipality, not that of doctors. In many cases, the doctor actually directly says to the local municipality that medication/treatment will only worsen the condition, but because of the Danish law on Social Welfare, the local municipality can actually overrule that of a doctor or specialists.

That doesn't seem very consistent. You should hate politicians instead, they're the ones making a mess of things.

Politicians will abuse everything, but science is so easy to exploit by politicians, that I think we should carefully pick what we want to prioritize in research, and leave some stuff alone.

It's ok for scientists to conduct cosmological research or nuclear research, but I don't think medical research is a good idea after all.

[Plu]

It's ok for scientists to conduct cosmological research or nuclear research, but I don't think medical research is a good idea after all.

 

[Youssuf Ramadan]

This law will inevitably lead to a massive abuse of our basic human rights. All in the name of science.

I hate science!

In Britain, this is know as 'throwing the baby out with the bathwater.'

[Savior2006]

It's ok for scientists to conduct cosmological research or nuclear research, but I don't think medical research is a good idea after all.

Of course. We were so much better off when we were bleeding ourselves to balance out the humours.

 :Hangman:  :Hangman:  :Hangman:  :Hangman:

[mediumaevum]

This law will inevitably lead to a massive abuse of our basic human rights. All in the name of science.

I hate science!

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In Britain, this is know as 'throwing the baby out with the bathwater.'

It's not crazy to be against scientific research, when one knows that one's social welfare depends on lack of scientific research.
In fact, it's quite logical. Not only that, it is completely rational.

Not being against scientific research is like a Catholic not waging war against Lutherans in the renaissance.
It's your very income that's at stake, you know!

[Plu]

That seems like a totally reasonable position  :roll:

[mediumaevum]

That seems like a totally reasonable position  :roll:

Yes. It is.

Consider this:

You get a serious illness. Its not one that causes your death, but it causes you to be unable to work.
You know that if you get cured, you'd lose your welfare income and end up in the eternally long unemployment queue without an income and with hard social, economical, political and judicial pressure on you.

Who'd like to be cured from the serious illness? You got to be stupid if you want that cure!
To want a cure for a serious illness that grants you economic security is nothing but political, economical, judicial and social suicide.

I have nothing against working, and I work what I am able to.
But I don't want to be under the pressure that it causes if my situation goes away.

[Plu]

Fortunately I have a marketable talent, so that situation is irrelevant to me.

[Solitary]

I used to be "fan of science".

This has dramatically decreased the past 2 years though. The reason for this is because politics gets involved into the research in the way that it can and WILL abuse human rights.

For example, mentally abnormal people will be forced to take medication or accept a "cure" for their "abnormalities". Science and research helps pave this way. We are not talking about abnormal people who commit a crime, but people who may or may not recieve welfare.

Today the Danish government went one step further: They want to make it a DUTY for Danish citizens, if chosen, to participate in scientific research projects for the common good of society.

http://www.dr.dk/Nyheder/Indland/2013/10/11/070311.htm
(Danish article).

Today, the the local municipality already have the opportunity to force depressive patients to recieve electroconvulsive therapy (ECT). They can also force physically ill people to undergo risky surgery.

This law will inevitably lead to a massive abuse of our basic human rights. All in the name of science.

I hate science!

Psychology and psychiatry are not science, just opinions of who is abnormal or mentally ill. Solitary