Author Topic: Never before seen 911 video.  (Read 3629 times)

Re: Never before seen 911 video.
« Reply #15 on: April 02, 2014, 10:27:22 AM »
Lots of references by lots of people to multiple explosions. After the planes hit. Pure imagination of course. Like the fact that 4 big airliners were (supposed to be) involved, yet no recognizable plane debris was ever found at any of the sites. Nor any remains of a couple hundred passengers. Not a shred. All firsts in the history of plane crashes. And all on the same day. What a coincidence.
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Re: Never before seen 911 video.
« Reply #16 on: April 02, 2014, 11:03:32 AM »
You are lying when you say that no recognizable plane debris were found at "any" of the sites. Recognizable plane wreckage was found at the Pentagon and the Pennsylvania sites. As for the NY sites, any plane wreckage and bodies would have been pulverized by hundreds of thousands of tonnes of falling steel. But we know they were planes because we have footage of both, particularly the second. As to the explosions? Well, when steel snaps under great strain, the rupture can sound a lot like an explosion as the steel snaps back from the strain releasing. It's a quite high energy event.
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Re: Never before seen 911 video.
« Reply #17 on: April 02, 2014, 11:23:54 AM »
You are lying when you say that no recognizable plane debris were found at "any" of the sites. Recognizable plane wreckage was found at the Pentagon and the Pennsylvania sites.

Independent, credible source?

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As for the NY sites, any plane wreckage and bodies would have been pulverized by hundreds of thousands of tonnes of falling steel.

Including 4 eight foot diameter and 15 foot length titanium rotor assemblies (melting point 2600º C/4712º F) and 4 'black boxes' specifically designed to survive extremely high-energy impact? Yeah, right.
And how about the other 4 eight foot titanium rotors and 4 'black boxes' that went down in Pennsylvania and the Pentagon without having "been pulverized by hundreds of thousands of tonnes of falling steel". Where are those?

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But we know they were planes because we have footage of both

Now you are lying because there is not one frame of the first plane that hit the towers. And the footage of the second plane was doctored.

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particularly the second. As to the explosions? Well, when steel snaps under great strain, the rupture can sound a lot like an explosion as the steel snaps back from the strain releasing. It's a quite high energy event.

No burning skyscraper anywhere ever collapsed as a result of fire. Not even after 72 hours of blazing fury. On 9/11 not one, not two, but three skyscrapers did, however. Of which one wasn't even hit by a plane and had 'only' non-disastrous fires burning on part of 2 floors. All on the same day.
What a coincidence.
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Re: Never before seen 911 video.
« Reply #18 on: April 02, 2014, 01:33:56 PM »
Independent, credible source?

How about your own eyes?

Pentagon site:


Pennsylvania site:


Are you really saying these aren't plane debris?

Including 4 eight foot diameter and 15 foot length titanium rotor assemblies (melting point 2600º C/4712º F)
Melting point ≠ structural strength.

and 4 'black boxes' specifically designed to survive extremely high-energy impact?
And a high energy impact from a crash landing is the same as the live load of a falling building landing on top of the plane? Nonsense.

Do you seriously realize how stupid you sound?

And how about the other 4 eight foot titanium rotors and 4 'black boxes' that went down in Pennsylvania and the Pentagon without having "been pulverized by hundreds of thousands of tonnes of falling steel". Where are those?
The black boxes? Found. Even 911research admits that both of those recorders were claimed to be found. They only dispute whether or not they were plants. As to the turbines, they are NOT build to survive impacts, and as such would be unrecognizable in a debris field. Under normal operation, their only job is to be driven by hot gasses. That's a completely different set of engineering specs.

Now you are lying because there is not one frame of the first plane that hit the towers.
Try again, liar:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Ys41jnL2Elk#t=11

And the footage of the second plane was doctored.
Doctored... as it was being broadcast live. Hillarious.

No burning skyscraper anywhere ever collapsed as a result of fire. Not even after 72 hours of blazing fury. On 9/11 not one, not two, but three skyscrapers did, however. Of which one wasn't even hit by a plane and had 'only' non-disastrous fires burning on part of 2 floors. All on the same day.
What a coincidence.
None of the previous buildings had a high energy impact of a plane smashing into them, blowing off fire retardant designed to protect the main structural members from weakening in that way — the fire retardant was on those members because if they weren't there the building would collapse quickly from fire. Also, none of the previous buildings had a skyscraper rain flaming debris on top of it, and none occurred where the where the water system was so compromised.

Also, there were no fires in a pure steel-framed construction building before. The twin towers were some of the oldest buildings in the world to use pure steel-framed construction, because it was the development of steel-framed construction that enabled them to be built in the first place. If they had used steel-reinforced concrete (an excellent, and impact-resistent fire-retardant by the way — every example put forward by your ilk seem to point to buildings that are steel-reinforced concrete), the twin towers would have been too heavy to build.
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Re: Never before seen 911 video.
« Reply #19 on: April 02, 2014, 11:28:09 PM »
What a coincidence.

Offline Hakurei Reimu

Re: Never before seen 911 video.
« Reply #20 on: April 03, 2014, 10:13:45 AM »
That's it? "What a coincidence?" Like that is actually indicative of something?

Let me tell you something. It is not a coincidence that Al Quaeda wanted to take down the twin towers. They tried the same thing in 1993, unsuccessfully, using car bombs. So they crashed planes into the buildings, and that brought them own. The towers together have an estimated dead load of 169,000,000 kg each, and using a COM 1/3 up the 1362 ft (415.1 m) tower yields a gravitational potential energy of 463.044 GJ, or the explosive equivalent of 110.67 tons of TNT, for each tower. With that kind of destruction going around, it shouldn't be surprising to anyone that there would be other damage, up to and including bringing another building down. Hell, if another building was brought down too, it would be just as much a "coincidence."

Anyway, I've had enough of your bullshit. Until you bring scholarly articles published in reputable peer review journals to the contrary, the NIST conclusions that the plane impacts and subsequent fires brought down the twin towers and the falling debris from 1 & 2 WTC and the resulting fires brought down 7 WTC stand.

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Re: Never before seen 911 video.
« Reply #21 on: April 03, 2014, 06:31:42 PM »
Since you think that uncritically repeating the Bush administration mantra* is good enough to support your position I'll do the same:

what a coincidence.

*eerily reminiscent of the mantra of Sadam Hussein's "WMDs"...  :cool:
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Re: Never before seen 911 video.
« Reply #22 on: April 03, 2014, 08:38:25 PM »
Hakurei, what evidence can you present to somebody that does not value actual evidence?

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Re: Never before seen 911 video.
« Reply #23 on: April 03, 2014, 08:40:51 PM »
Since you think that uncritically repeating the Bush administration mantra* is good enough to support your position I'll do the same:

what a coincidence.

*eerily reminiscent of the mantra of Sadam Hussein's "WMDs"...  :cool:
If you think that deferring to the NIST reports on 9/11 is equivalent to "uncritically repeating the Bush administration mantra", then you really are a worthless person. Foed.
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Re: Never before seen 911 video.
« Reply #24 on: April 03, 2014, 09:11:04 PM »
Repeated insulting and name calling doesn't strengthen your case, sir. Quite the contrary. :cool:
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Re: Never before seen 911 video.
« Reply #25 on: April 03, 2014, 10:11:20 PM »
Repeated insulting and name calling doesn't strengthen your case, sir. Quite the contrary. :cool:
At least he has a case.
???  ??

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Re: Never before seen 911 video.
« Reply #26 on: April 03, 2014, 11:21:36 PM »
I love the ignore list.
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Re: Never before seen 911 video.
« Reply #27 on: April 04, 2014, 08:09:04 AM »
At least he has a case.

In a corrupt (Supreme) court, yes, he does indeed.

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Re: Never before seen 911 video.
« Reply #28 on: April 04, 2014, 08:52:13 AM »
???

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Re: Never before seen 911 video.
« Reply #29 on: April 04, 2014, 06:43:09 PM »
A.o. :cool:
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