Government Success vs Market Success

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Xerographica

The point of government is to make up for the deficiencies/inadequacies/shortcomings/failings of the private sector...

QuoteIt is, of course, not desirable that anything should be done by funds derived from compulsory taxation, which is already sufficiently well done by individual liberality. - J.S. Mill, Principles of Political Economy with some of their Applications to Social Philosophy
The question is, how can we determine just how badly the private sector is failing?  In order to accurately correct for the private sector's deficiencies, the government needs access to what people in the private sector know.  

What do private sector people know?  They know external things (surroundings, circumstances, situations, environments) and internal things (values). They know how many potholes they run over (external) and how much cancer research they'd sacrifice to fix them (internal). They know how many times they've been mugged (external) and how much education they'd sacrifice for more police (internal). They know how many nights they've lost sleep because of the threat of terror (external) and how much space exploration they'd sacrifice for more peace of mind (internal).

So how does the government gain access to all this relevant information?  Here are some possible responses...

1. Congresspeople don't need this information
[spoil:knpwg7nh]wat?[/spoil:knpwg7nh]
2. Congresspeople are omniscient
[spoil:knpwg7nh]
QuoteWith the help of equations and diagrams, Samuelson showed how the planner would derive for each individual his demand function and the collective consumption goods that would contribute to his utility maximization.  In this system, the planner is expected to have an omniscient presence and be able to ascertain individual preferences even when they are not voluntarily revealed.  Samuelson attempted to show the combination of public and private goods and their distribution that would maximize social welfare.  His concern was with the total community's welfare and with all goods; it did not have much to do with the central reality of the budget in the ordinary world. - A. Premchand, Government Budgeting and Expenditure Controls: Theory and Practice
Quote"Market failure" has always been defined as being present when conditions for Pareto-optimality are not satisfied in ways in which an omniscient, selfless, social guardian government could costlessly correct.  One of the lessons of experience with development is that governments are not omniscient, selfless, social guardians and corrections are not costless. - Anne O. Krueger, Government Failures in Development
QuoteThe Founding Fathers of public choice, in some cases by design and in other cases by accident, effectively leveled the playing field in the debate over the relative merits of governments and private markets.  This playing field, by the mid-1950s, had become undeniably prejudiced in favor of an allegedly omniscient and impartial government. - Charles K. Rowley, Public Choice from the Perspective of the History of Thought
QuoteSamuelson, laying particular emphasis on the problem of preference revelation, takes as a premise the existence of an omniscient planner. - Christian Bastin, Theories of Voluntary Exchange in the Theory of Public Goods
QuoteThe new welfare economists view private markets as failing extensively because of perceived weaknesses in property rights, pervasive externalities and public goods and widespread asymmetries in information.  In contrast, they view democratic government as benevolent, omniscient and impartial in its role as the White Knight riding to rescue individuals from unavoidable private market failures (Baumol and Oates, 1988).  The public choice revolution redressed this bias by analysing government as it is and not as a figment of some excessively cloistered imagination. - Donald Wittman, Efficiency of Democracy?
QuoteTo accurately choose which vector of policies is wealth-maximizing, the government would need to know how every person would act under these new policies—something which would require omniscience on the part of government agents. - Edward Stringham, Kaldor-Hicks Efficiency and the Problem of Central Planning
QuoteIn what follows we shall assume an omniscient planner who seeks to maximize social welfare subject to the scarcity constraints of the economy.  This is standard practice in normative economics. - Elisha A. Pazner, Merit Wants and the Theory of Taxation
QuoteA social efficiency objective implies a single mind to which all resource supply conditions and all consumer attitudes are simultaneously given. Otherwise, there can be no coherent notion of a relevant optimum. The entire notion of a 'social choice' presumes, in principle, the relevance of imagined omniscience. - Israel M. Kirzner, How Markets Work
QuoteThe complexities of modern politics and bureaucracy should not, however, conceal the underlying realities, and gross misunderstanding can result if individual participation in, and reaction to, public decisions is either neglected or assumed away.  The omniscient and benevolent despot does not exist, despite the genuine love for him sometimes espoused, and, scientifically, he is not a noble construction.  To assume that he does exist, for the purpose of making analysis agreeable, serves to confound the issues and to guarantee frustration for the scientist who seeks to understand and to explain. - James M. Buchanan, Public Finance in Democratic Process
QuoteThe possible advantages are, however, greatly increased when the unrealistic assumption of omniscient planning is relaxed and the preference-revelation problems in a world of diverse preferences are explicitly recognized. - John G. Head, Public Goods and Multi-Level Government
QuoteThe traditional approach describes the allocation and distributive failures of the market, and the normative role of government in correcting those failures.  Tax revenues from several sources are put into a single pot, a general fund, from which public services are provided.  Equity in raising taxes is judged by ability to pay rather than by the benefit criterion on which earmarking is based.  In the orthodox account, the government is shown to act as an omniscient and benevolent institution which improves on the market outcome and achieves an efficient allocation of resources.  Traditional theory employs the device of a 'social welfare function' which guides an independent decision-taking budgetary authority.  Critics of this account argue that in this approach, 'the government' is a black box into which voter preferences are fed and from which outcomes, which are claimed to be welfare-maximizing, emerge. - Margaret Wilkinson, Paying for Public Spending - Is There a Role for Earmarked Taxes
QuoteThe well-known Samuelson (1954, 1955) public goods articles offer a good example.  Samuelson titles his first article "The Pure Theory of Public Expenditure," indicating that his analysis of a possible market failure in the production of public goods is, in fact, not a theory, but the theory, of public expenditure even though the article contains no analysis of how government would succeed in producing public goods where the market would fail.  The only way Samuelson's public good theory can be a theory of government expenditure is if the government is an omniscient benevolent dictator. - Randall G. Holcombe, Make Economics Policy Relevant: Depose the Omniscient Benevolent Dictator
QuoteThough an old theme, Samuelson's rigorous analysis of public goods in a general equilibrium setting (Samuelson 1954) captured the attention of a wide range of theorists, and soon became the center of fiscal theory. Wicksell's concern with how to secure preference revelation was noted but set aside as unmanageable by economic analysis.  Implementation of budget choice was again left to an omniscient referee. - Richard A. Musgrave, Public finance and three branch model
QuoteThe problem would disappear if government were omniscient, as implicitly assumed by Hotelling, but government is not omniscient and throughout his career Coase has insisted very sensibly that in evaluating the case for public intervention one must compare real markets with real government, rather than real markets with ideal government assumed to work not only flawlessly but costlessly. - Richard A. Posner, Nobel Laureate: Ronald Coase and Methodology
QuotePPB analysis rests upon much the same theoretical grounds as the traditional theory of public administration. The PPB analyst is essentially taking the methodological perspective of an "omniscient observer" or a "benevolent despot." Assuming that he knows the "will of the state," the PPB analyst selects a program for the efficient utilization of resources (i.e., men and material) in the accomplishment of those purposes. As Senator McClelland has correctly perceived, the assumption of omniscience may not hold; and, as a consequence, PPB analysis may involve radical errors and generate gross inefficiencies. - Vincent Ostrom and Elinor Ostrom, Public Choice: A Different Approach to the Study of Public Administration
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3. Our political process allows citizens to adequately communicate their preferences to congresspeople.
[spoil:knpwg7nh]Democracy, the Market, and the Logic of Social Choice - Samuel DeCanio[/spoil:knpwg7nh]

Check out my terrible illustration skills...



Graph 1 - what government success would look like
Graph 2 - what government failure looks like
Graph 3 - the breadth/depth of market failure is unknown

If we don't know the breadth/depth of market failure, then can we ever honestly say that the government is successfully supplying something that there's an actual demand for?


mykcob4

Quote from: "Xerographica"The point of government is to make up for the deficiencies/inadequacies/shortcomings/failings of the private sector...

QuoteIt is, of course, not desirable that anything should be done by funds derived from compulsory taxation, which is already sufficiently well done by individual liberality. - J.S. Mill, Principles of Political Economy with some of their Applications to Social Philosophy
The question is, how can we determine just how badly the private sector is failing?  In order to accurately correct for the private sector's deficiencies, the government needs access to what people in the private sector know.  

What do private sector people know?  They know external things (surroundings, circumstances, situations, environments) and internal things (values). They know how many potholes they run over (external) and how much cancer research they'd sacrifice to fix them (internal). They know how many times they've been mugged (external) and how much education they'd sacrifice for more police (internal). They know how many nights they've lost sleep because of the threat of terror (external) and how much space exploration they'd sacrifice for more peace of mind (internal).

So how does the government gain access to all this relevant information?  Here are some possible responses...

1. Congresspeople don't need this information
[spoil:33dh61e8]wat?[/spoil:33dh61e8]
2. Congresspeople are omniscient
[spoil:33dh61e8]
QuoteWith the help of equations and diagrams, Samuelson showed how the planner would derive for each individual his demand function and the collective consumption goods that would contribute to his utility maximization.  In this system, the planner is expected to have an omniscient presence and be able to ascertain individual preferences even when they are not voluntarily revealed.  Samuelson attempted to show the combination of public and private goods and their distribution that would maximize social welfare.  His concern was with the total community's welfare and with all goods; it did not have much to do with the central reality of the budget in the ordinary world. - A. Premchand, Government Budgeting and Expenditure Controls: Theory and Practice
Quote"Market failure" has always been defined as being present when conditions for Pareto-optimality are not satisfied in ways in which an omniscient, selfless, social guardian government could costlessly correct.  One of the lessons of experience with development is that governments are not omniscient, selfless, social guardians and corrections are not costless. - Anne O. Krueger, Government Failures in Development
QuoteThe Founding Fathers of public choice, in some cases by design and in other cases by accident, effectively leveled the playing field in the debate over the relative merits of governments and private markets.  This playing field, by the mid-1950s, had become undeniably prejudiced in favor of an allegedly omniscient and impartial government. - Charles K. Rowley, Public Choice from the Perspective of the History of Thought
QuoteSamuelson, laying particular emphasis on the problem of preference revelation, takes as a premise the existence of an omniscient planner. - Christian Bastin, Theories of Voluntary Exchange in the Theory of Public Goods
QuoteThe new welfare economists view private markets as failing extensively because of perceived weaknesses in property rights, pervasive externalities and public goods and widespread asymmetries in information.  In contrast, they view democratic government as benevolent, omniscient and impartial in its role as the White Knight riding to rescue individuals from unavoidable private market failures (Baumol and Oates, 1988).  The public choice revolution redressed this bias by analysing government as it is and not as a figment of some excessively cloistered imagination. - Donald Wittman, Efficiency of Democracy?
QuoteTo accurately choose which vector of policies is wealth-maximizing, the government would need to know how every person would act under these new policies—something which would require omniscience on the part of government agents. - Edward Stringham, Kaldor-Hicks Efficiency and the Problem of Central Planning
QuoteIn what follows we shall assume an omniscient planner who seeks to maximize social welfare subject to the scarcity constraints of the economy.  This is standard practice in normative economics. - Elisha A. Pazner, Merit Wants and the Theory of Taxation
QuoteA social efficiency objective implies a single mind to which all resource supply conditions and all consumer attitudes are simultaneously given. Otherwise, there can be no coherent notion of a relevant optimum. The entire notion of a 'social choice' presumes, in principle, the relevance of imagined omniscience. - Israel M. Kirzner, How Markets Work
QuoteThe complexities of modern politics and bureaucracy should not, however, conceal the underlying realities, and gross misunderstanding can result if individual participation in, and reaction to, public decisions is either neglected or assumed away.  The omniscient and benevolent despot does not exist, despite the genuine love for him sometimes espoused, and, scientifically, he is not a noble construction.  To assume that he does exist, for the purpose of making analysis agreeable, serves to confound the issues and to guarantee frustration for the scientist who seeks to understand and to explain. - James M. Buchanan, Public Finance in Democratic Process
QuoteThe possible advantages are, however, greatly increased when the unrealistic assumption of omniscient planning is relaxed and the preference-revelation problems in a world of diverse preferences are explicitly recognized. - John G. Head, Public Goods and Multi-Level Government
QuoteThe traditional approach describes the allocation and distributive failures of the market, and the normative role of government in correcting those failures.  Tax revenues from several sources are put into a single pot, a general fund, from which public services are provided.  Equity in raising taxes is judged by ability to pay rather than by the benefit criterion on which earmarking is based.  In the orthodox account, the government is shown to act as an omniscient and benevolent institution which improves on the market outcome and achieves an efficient allocation of resources.  Traditional theory employs the device of a 'social welfare function' which guides an independent decision-taking budgetary authority.  Critics of this account argue that in this approach, 'the government' is a black box into which voter preferences are fed and from which outcomes, which are claimed to be welfare-maximizing, emerge. - Margaret Wilkinson, Paying for Public Spending - Is There a Role for Earmarked Taxes
QuoteThe well-known Samuelson (1954, 1955) public goods articles offer a good example.  Samuelson titles his first article "The Pure Theory of Public Expenditure," indicating that his analysis of a possible market failure in the production of public goods is, in fact, not a theory, but the theory, of public expenditure even though the article contains no analysis of how government would succeed in producing public goods where the market would fail.  The only way Samuelson's public good theory can be a theory of government expenditure is if the government is an omniscient benevolent dictator. - Randall G. Holcombe, Make Economics Policy Relevant: Depose the Omniscient Benevolent Dictator
QuoteThough an old theme, Samuelson's rigorous analysis of public goods in a general equilibrium setting (Samuelson 1954) captured the attention of a wide range of theorists, and soon became the center of fiscal theory. Wicksell's concern with how to secure preference revelation was noted but set aside as unmanageable by economic analysis.  Implementation of budget choice was again left to an omniscient referee. - Richard A. Musgrave, Public finance and three branch model
QuoteThe problem would disappear if government were omniscient, as implicitly assumed by Hotelling, but government is not omniscient and throughout his career Coase has insisted very sensibly that in evaluating the case for public intervention one must compare real markets with real government, rather than real markets with ideal government assumed to work not only flawlessly but costlessly. - Richard A. Posner, Nobel Laureate: Ronald Coase and Methodology
QuotePPB analysis rests upon much the same theoretical grounds as the traditional theory of public administration. The PPB analyst is essentially taking the methodological perspective of an "omniscient observer" or a "benevolent despot." Assuming that he knows the "will of the state," the PPB analyst selects a program for the efficient utilization of resources (i.e., men and material) in the accomplishment of those purposes. As Senator McClelland has correctly perceived, the assumption of omniscience may not hold; and, as a consequence, PPB analysis may involve radical errors and generate gross inefficiencies. - Vincent Ostrom and Elinor Ostrom, Public Choice: A Different Approach to the Study of Public Administration
[/spoil:33dh61e8]
3. Our political process allows citizens to adequately communicate their preferences to congresspeople.
[spoil:33dh61e8]Democracy, the Market, and the Logic of Social Choice - Samuel DeCanio[/spoil:33dh61e8]

Check out my terrible illustration skills...

[ Image ]

Graph 1 - what government success would look like
Graph 2 - what government failure looks like
Graph 3 - the breadth/depth of market failure is unknown

If we don't know the breadth/depth of market failure, then can we ever honestly say that the government is successfully supplying something that there's an actual demand for?

Your first problem is that you assume that the purpose of government is to make up for the shortcomings of the private sector.

Xerographica

Quote from: "mykcob4"Your first problem is that you assume that the purpose of government is to make up for the shortcomings of the private sector.
Our current system is based on the assumption that congresspeople are omniscient. (True/False)

The Whit

False.  I'd be surprised if they could wipe their ass unassisted.
"Death can not be killed." -brq

Xerographica

Quote from: "The Whit"False.  I'd be surprised if they could wipe their ass unassisted.
Yeah, for sure they are incompetent...but it's a stone cold fact that our current system is based on the assumption that congresspeople are omniscient...

[spoil:4m5pjvbr]
QuoteWith the help of equations and diagrams, Samuelson showed how the planner would derive for each individual his demand function and the collective consumption goods that would contribute to his utility maximization.  In this system, the planner is expected to have an omniscient presence and be able to ascertain individual preferences even when they are not voluntarily revealed.  Samuelson attempted to show the combination of public and private goods and their distribution that would maximize social welfare.  His concern was with the total community's welfare and with all goods; it did not have much to do with the central reality of the budget in the ordinary world. - A. Premchand, Government Budgeting and Expenditure Controls: Theory and Practice
Quote"Market failure" has always been defined as being present when conditions for Pareto-optimality are not satisfied in ways in which an omniscient, selfless, social guardian government could costlessly correct.  One of the lessons of experience with development is that governments are not omniscient, selfless, social guardians and corrections are not costless. - Anne O. Krueger, Government Failures in Development
QuoteThe Founding Fathers of public choice, in some cases by design and in other cases by accident, effectively leveled the playing field in the debate over the relative merits of governments and private markets.  This playing field, by the mid-1950s, had become undeniably prejudiced in favor of an allegedly omniscient and impartial government. - Charles K. Rowley, Public Choice from the Perspective of the History of Thought
QuoteSamuelson, laying particular emphasis on the problem of preference revelation, takes as a premise the existence of an omniscient planner. - Christian Bastin, Theories of Voluntary Exchange in the Theory of Public Goods
QuoteThe new welfare economists view private markets as failing extensively because of perceived weaknesses in property rights, pervasive externalities and public goods and widespread asymmetries in information.  In contrast, they view democratic government as benevolent, omniscient and impartial in its role as the White Knight riding to rescue individuals from unavoidable private market failures (Baumol and Oates, 1988).  The public choice revolution redressed this bias by analysing government as it is and not as a figment of some excessively cloistered imagination. - Donald Wittman, Efficiency of Democracy?
QuoteTo accurately choose which vector of policies is wealth-maximizing, the government would need to know how every person would act under these new policies—something which would require omniscience on the part of government agents. - Edward Stringham, Kaldor-Hicks Efficiency and the Problem of Central Planning
QuoteIn what follows we shall assume an omniscient planner who seeks to maximize social welfare subject to the scarcity constraints of the economy.  This is standard practice in normative economics. - Elisha A. Pazner, Merit Wants and the Theory of Taxation
QuoteA social efficiency objective implies a single mind to which all resource supply conditions and all consumer attitudes are simultaneously given. Otherwise, there can be no coherent notion of a relevant optimum. The entire notion of a 'social choice' presumes, in principle, the relevance of imagined omniscience. - Israel M. Kirzner, How Markets Work
QuoteThe complexities of modern politics and bureaucracy should not, however, conceal the underlying realities, and gross misunderstanding can result if individual participation in, and reaction to, public decisions is either neglected or assumed away.  The omniscient and benevolent despot does not exist, despite the genuine love for him sometimes espoused, and, scientifically, he is not a noble construction.  To assume that he does exist, for the purpose of making analysis agreeable, serves to confound the issues and to guarantee frustration for the scientist who seeks to understand and to explain. - James M. Buchanan, Public Finance in Democratic Process
QuoteThe possible advantages are, however, greatly increased when the unrealistic assumption of omniscient planning is relaxed and the preference-revelation problems in a world of diverse preferences are explicitly recognized. - John G. Head, Public Goods and Multi-Level Government
QuoteThe traditional approach describes the allocation and distributive failures of the market, and the normative role of government in correcting those failures.  Tax revenues from several sources are put into a single pot, a general fund, from which public services are provided.  Equity in raising taxes is judged by ability to pay rather than by the benefit criterion on which earmarking is based.  In the orthodox account, the government is shown to act as an omniscient and benevolent institution which improves on the market outcome and achieves an efficient allocation of resources.  Traditional theory employs the device of a 'social welfare function' which guides an independent decision-taking budgetary authority.  Critics of this account argue that in this approach, 'the government' is a black box into which voter preferences are fed and from which outcomes, which are claimed to be welfare-maximizing, emerge. - Margaret Wilkinson, Paying for Public Spending - Is There a Role for Earmarked Taxes
QuoteThe well-known Samuelson (1954, 1955) public goods articles offer a good example.  Samuelson titles his first article "The Pure Theory of Public Expenditure," indicating that his analysis of a possible market failure in the production of public goods is, in fact, not a theory, but the theory, of public expenditure even though the article contains no analysis of how government would succeed in producing public goods where the market would fail.  The only way Samuelson's public good theory can be a theory of government expenditure is if the government is an omniscient benevolent dictator. - Randall G. Holcombe, Make Economics Policy Relevant: Depose the Omniscient Benevolent Dictator
QuoteThough an old theme, Samuelson's rigorous analysis of public goods in a general equilibrium setting (Samuelson 1954) captured the attention of a wide range of theorists, and soon became the center of fiscal theory. Wicksell's concern with how to secure preference revelation was noted but set aside as unmanageable by economic analysis.  Implementation of budget choice was again left to an omniscient referee. - Richard A. Musgrave, Public finance and three branch model
QuoteThe problem would disappear if government were omniscient, as implicitly assumed by Hotelling, but government is not omniscient and throughout his career Coase has insisted very sensibly that in evaluating the case for public intervention one must compare real markets with real government, rather than real markets with ideal government assumed to work not only flawlessly but costlessly. - Richard A. Posner, Nobel Laureate: Ronald Coase and Methodology
QuotePPB analysis rests upon much the same theoretical grounds as the traditional theory of public administration. The PPB analyst is essentially taking the methodological perspective of an "omniscient observer" or a "benevolent despot." Assuming that he knows the "will of the state," the PPB analyst selects a program for the efficient utilization of resources (i.e., men and material) in the accomplishment of those purposes. As Senator McClelland has correctly perceived, the assumption of omniscience may not hold; and, as a consequence, PPB analysis may involve radical errors and generate gross inefficiencies. - Vincent Ostrom and Elinor Ostrom, Public Choice: A Different Approach to the Study of Public Administration
[/spoil:4m5pjvbr]

The Whit

Our government was NOT based on an omniscient anybody.  Our Founding Fathers weren't perfect, but they weren't fucking retarded either.
"Death can not be killed." -brq

Xerographica

Quote from: "The Whit"Our government was NOT based on an omniscient anybody.  Our Founding Fathers weren't perfect, but they weren't fucking retarded either.
I didn't say that our past system was based on the assumption that congresspeople are omniscient.  I said that our current system is.  Did you not read all the passages that make this abundantly clear?  If not, then just click on where it says "Spoiler: Show".

Although I didn't say that our past system was based on the assumption that congresspeople are omniscient...how else would you interpret the following passages?

QuoteApparently, then, the legislators and the organizers have received from Heaven an intelligence and virtue that place them beyond and above mankind; if so, let them show their titles to this superiority. - Frédéric Bastiat
QuoteWhen that "divinity" which "doth hedge a king," and which in our day has left a glamour around the body inheriting his power, has quite died away - when it begins to be seen clearly that, in a popularly-governed nation, the government is simply a committee of management; it will also be seen that this committee of management has no intrinsic authority. The inevitable conclusion will be that its authority is given by those appointing it; and has just such bounds as they choose to impose. Along with this will go the further conclusion that the laws it passes are not in themselves sacred; but that whatever sacredness they have, is entirely due to the ethical sanction - an ethical sanction which, as we find, is derivable from the laws of human life as carried on under social conditions. And there will come the corollary that when they have not this ethical sanction they have no sacredness, and may be rightly challenged.
     The function of Liberalism in the past was that of putting a limit to the powers of kings. The function of true Liberalism in the future will be that of putting a limit to the powers of Parliaments. - Herbert Spencer
Our past past systems were based on the assumption of "divinity/omniscience".  Our present system is based on the assumption of "divinity/omniscience".  Yet somehow our past system was not based on the assumption of "divinity/omniscience"?

The Whit

God damnit Xero quit wasting my time and get to your point.
"Death can not be killed." -brq

Colanth

"I believe" isn't the same as "it's a stone cold fact".  Based on past performance, what you believe is the imaginings of a not-very-well-informed child that has very little to do with reality.

The current system of government is base on a few things, none of which have anything to do with the knowledge or competence of members of Congress.  (Almost no one votes for a candidate for Congress based on the level of the candidate's knowledge, which is what you're claiming.)
Afflicting the comfortable for 70 years.
Science builds skyscrapers, faith flies planes into them.

Plu

Quote from: "The Whit"God damnit Xero quit wasting my time and get to your point.

He has made 300 posts, all on the same topic, with the same rhetoric, over and over again, without ever refuting, or even acknowledging any point made by another. There is not, will not be, and never has been, a point to his rambling.

Xerographica

Quote from: "Colanth""I believe" isn't the same as "it's a stone cold fact".  Based on past performance, what you believe is the imaginings of a not-very-well-informed child that has very little to do with reality.

The current system of government is base on a few things, none of which have anything to do with the knowledge or competence of members of Congress.  (Almost no one votes for a candidate for Congress based on the level of the candidate's knowledge, which is what you're claiming.)
If you believe that our current system is based on something, then please substantiate your belief.  I believe that our current system is based on the assumption that congresspeople are omniscient.  And here's the evidence that supports my belief...

QuoteWith the help of equations and diagrams, Samuelson showed how the planner would derive for each individual his demand function and the collective consumption goods that would contribute to his utility maximization.  In this system, the planner is expected to have an omniscient presence and be able to ascertain individual preferences even when they are not voluntarily revealed.  Samuelson attempted to show the combination of public and private goods and their distribution that would maximize social welfare.  His concern was with the total community's welfare and with all goods; it did not have much to do with the central reality of the budget in the ordinary world. - A. Premchand, Government Budgeting and Expenditure Controls: Theory and Practice
Quote"Market failure" has always been defined as being present when conditions for Pareto-optimality are not satisfied in ways in which an omniscient, selfless, social guardian government could costlessly correct.  One of the lessons of experience with development is that governments are not omniscient, selfless, social guardians and corrections are not costless. - Anne O. Krueger, Government Failures in Development
QuoteThe Founding Fathers of public choice, in some cases by design and in other cases by accident, effectively leveled the playing field in the debate over the relative merits of governments and private markets.  This playing field, by the mid-1950s, had become undeniably prejudiced in favor of an allegedly omniscient and impartial government. - Charles K. Rowley, Public Choice from the Perspective of the History of Thought
QuoteSamuelson, laying particular emphasis on the problem of preference revelation, takes as a premise the existence of an omniscient planner. - Christian Bastin, Theories of Voluntary Exchange in the Theory of Public Goods
QuoteThe new welfare economists view private markets as failing extensively because of perceived weaknesses in property rights, pervasive externalities and public goods and widespread asymmetries in information.  In contrast, they view democratic government as benevolent, omniscient and impartial in its role as the White Knight riding to rescue individuals from unavoidable private market failures (Baumol and Oates, 1988).  The public choice revolution redressed this bias by analysing government as it is and not as a figment of some excessively cloistered imagination. - Donald Wittman, Efficiency of Democracy?
QuoteTo accurately choose which vector of policies is wealth-maximizing, the government would need to know how every person would act under these new policies—something which would require omniscience on the part of government agents. - Edward Stringham, Kaldor-Hicks Efficiency and the Problem of Central Planning
QuoteIn what follows we shall assume an omniscient planner who seeks to maximize social welfare subject to the scarcity constraints of the economy.  This is standard practice in normative economics. - Elisha A. Pazner, Merit Wants and the Theory of Taxation
QuoteA social efficiency objective implies a single mind to which all resource supply conditions and all consumer attitudes are simultaneously given. Otherwise, there can be no coherent notion of a relevant optimum. The entire notion of a 'social choice' presumes, in principle, the relevance of imagined omniscience. - Israel M. Kirzner, How Markets Work
QuoteThe complexities of modern politics and bureaucracy should not, however, conceal the underlying realities, and gross misunderstanding can result if individual participation in, and reaction to, public decisions is either neglected or assumed away.  The omniscient and benevolent despot does not exist, despite the genuine love for him sometimes espoused, and, scientifically, he is not a noble construction.  To assume that he does exist, for the purpose of making analysis agreeable, serves to confound the issues and to guarantee frustration for the scientist who seeks to understand and to explain. - James M. Buchanan, Public Finance in Democratic Process
QuoteThe possible advantages are, however, greatly increased when the unrealistic assumption of omniscient planning is relaxed and the preference-revelation problems in a world of diverse preferences are explicitly recognized. - John G. Head, Public Goods and Multi-Level Government
QuoteThe traditional approach describes the allocation and distributive failures of the market, and the normative role of government in correcting those failures.  Tax revenues from several sources are put into a single pot, a general fund, from which public services are provided.  Equity in raising taxes is judged by ability to pay rather than by the benefit criterion on which earmarking is based.  In the orthodox account, the government is shown to act as an omniscient and benevolent institution which improves on the market outcome and achieves an efficient allocation of resources.  Traditional theory employs the device of a 'social welfare function' which guides an independent decision-taking budgetary authority.  Critics of this account argue that in this approach, 'the government' is a black box into which voter preferences are fed and from which outcomes, which are claimed to be welfare-maximizing, emerge. - Margaret Wilkinson, Paying for Public Spending - Is There a Role for Earmarked Taxes
QuoteThe well-known Samuelson (1954, 1955) public goods articles offer a good example.  Samuelson titles his first article "The Pure Theory of Public Expenditure," indicating that his analysis of a possible market failure in the production of public goods is, in fact, not a theory, but the theory, of public expenditure even though the article contains no analysis of how government would succeed in producing public goods where the market would fail.  The only way Samuelson's public good theory can be a theory of government expenditure is if the government is an omniscient benevolent dictator. - Randall G. Holcombe, Make Economics Policy Relevant: Depose the Omniscient Benevolent Dictator
QuoteThough an old theme, Samuelson's rigorous analysis of public goods in a general equilibrium setting (Samuelson 1954) captured the attention of a wide range of theorists, and soon became the center of fiscal theory. Wicksell's concern with how to secure preference revelation was noted but set aside as unmanageable by economic analysis.  Implementation of budget choice was again left to an omniscient referee. - Richard A. Musgrave, Public finance and three branch model
QuoteThe problem would disappear if government were omniscient, as implicitly assumed by Hotelling, but government is not omniscient and throughout his career Coase has insisted very sensibly that in evaluating the case for public intervention one must compare real markets with real government, rather than real markets with ideal government assumed to work not only flawlessly but costlessly. - Richard A. Posner, Nobel Laureate: Ronald Coase and Methodology
QuotePPB analysis rests upon much the same theoretical grounds as the traditional theory of public administration. The PPB analyst is essentially taking the methodological perspective of an "omniscient observer" or a "benevolent despot." Assuming that he knows the "will of the state," the PPB analyst selects a program for the efficient utilization of resources (i.e., men and material) in the accomplishment of those purposes. As Senator McClelland has correctly perceived, the assumption of omniscience may not hold; and, as a consequence, PPB analysis may involve radical errors and generate gross inefficiencies. - Vincent Ostrom and Elinor Ostrom, Public Choice: A Different Approach to the Study of Public Administration

Jmpty

I don't know why anyone even responds to this guy. Seriously.
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Xerographica

Quote from: "Jmpty"I don't know why anyone even responds to this guy. Seriously.
Good thing you're not in charge of determining who responds to who.  Unfortunately, you fail to grasp why it's a good thing for people to have the freedom to choose how they allocate their resources.

Colanth

Quote from: "Xerographica"
Quote from: "Colanth""I believe" isn't the same as "it's a stone cold fact".  Based on past performance, what you believe is the imaginings of a not-very-well-informed child that has very little to do with reality.

The current system of government is base on a few things, none of which have anything to do with the knowledge or competence of members of Congress.  (Almost no one votes for a candidate for Congress based on the level of the candidate's knowledge, which is what you're claiming.)
If you believe that our current system is based on something, then please substantiate your belief.  I believe that our current system is based on the assumption that congresspeople are omniscient.
Please substantiate the claim that the electorate is intelligent enough to vote based on omniscience.  There's no evidence that the average voter can tell the difference between omniscience and acne.
Afflicting the comfortable for 70 years.
Science builds skyscrapers, faith flies planes into them.