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Offline stromboli

Progress on Marijuana Reform? Sort of.
« on: August 12, 2013, 11:42:05 AM »
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About fucking time. Evidence compiled shows that low THC Marijuana with high CBD- a Cannabinol that makes up 40% of the Cannabinoids- has seizure reducing properties. Medical Marijuana can reduce or solve a litany of health issues, and should have been looked at seriously decades ago. Thank you, Ronald Reagan. Permit me to spit on your grave, you lying piss ant.
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« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2013, 11:48:10 AM »
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Offline mykcob4

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« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2013, 11:58:05 AM »
I am all for medical marijuana. I don't like the drug culture at all though. Pot is a gateway drug and no ammount of justification will change that fact.
I hate the "slaker" attitude of potheads. Granted all potheads are not slakers, but a great many of them are and become so because of the addiction to pot. And don't tell me you can't get addicted to pot. I have first hand knowledge that you can and do. No I am not and never was a pot user, but in my life I have been exposed on a daily basis to the drug and pot culture. When people only care about getting high, where their next high is going to come from and nothing else, they are most certainly addicts.
I spent 22+ years in the USMC and most of those years were with people that were pot addicts. Sure they could function, just like a functioning alcoholic. From COs to privates a good many of them were and probably still are pot addicts. Some got caught, maybe half, but at least half maintained their careers.
I had a motorcycle when I was a L/cpl. I went overseas and had to leave it with a person in my unit while I was gone. When I came back he had totaled it. He wasn't even suppose to drive it. BUT he decided to use it to get some pot. While picking up the drugs he got high with his supplier. On the way back he wrecked and totalled my bike. His attitude..." Dude, I was really fucked up. Your bike bit the dust, but IT'S COOL, I DIDN'T GET A SCRATCH." He never paid me back and my insurance went way up.
That alone isn't what I am against. It's the slacker mentality, the drug culture. It's illresponsible. They just don't fucking care about anything but the dope!

Re: Progress on Marijuana Reform? Sort of.
« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2013, 12:02:20 PM »
I know loads of pot smokers.  The vast majority have jobs, families, hobbies and manage to live a full life just like everyone else.  Yes, I know a few wasters, but they were wasters way before they got stoned. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but in my experience most smokers aren't that different to anyone else.

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« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2013, 12:04:28 PM »
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I am all for medical marijuana. I don't like the drug culture at all though. Pot is a gateway drug and no ammount of justification will change that fact.

Interesting how more people in the US use drugs than in the Netherlands, where it's legal, and how we have less of a hard-drug problem, then. Pot is, and always will be, far less potent of a drug than alcohol and tobacco, and anyone who condones the latter but bitches about the former is either ignorant or a hypocrite.
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Offline stromboli

Re: Progress on Marijuana Reform? Sort of.
« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2013, 12:17:54 PM »
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I am all for medical marijuana. I don't like the drug culture at all though. Pot is a gateway drug and no ammount of justification will change that fact.
I hate the "slaker" attitude of potheads. Granted all potheads are not slakers, but a great many of them are and become so because of the addiction to pot. And don't tell me you can't get addicted to pot. I have first hand knowledge that you can and do. No I am not and never was a pot user, but in my life I have been exposed on a daily basis to the drug and pot culture. When people only care about getting high, where their next high is going to come from and nothing else, they are most certainly addicts.
I spent 22+ years in the USMC and most of those years were with people that were pot addicts. Sure they could function, just like a functioning alcoholic. From COs to privates a good many of them were and probably still are pot addicts. Some got caught, maybe half, but at least half maintained their careers.
I had a motorcycle when I was a L/cpl. I went overseas and had to leave it with a person in my unit while I was gone. When I came back he had totaled it. He wasn't even suppose to drive it. BUT he decided to use it to get some pot. While picking up the drugs he got high with his supplier. On the way back he wrecked and totalled my bike. His attitude..." Dude, I was really fucked up. Your bike bit the dust, but IT'S COOL, I DIDN'T GET A SCRATCH." He never paid me back and my insurance went way up.
That alone isn't what I am against. It's the slacker mentality, the drug culture. It's illresponsible. They just don't fucking care about anything but the dope!

I smoked a considerable amount of Marijuana in the late 60's and 70's. I held down, at one point, 2 jobs and went to college. I was on the Dean's list during that period. I raised a family, was a responsible citizen and am an honorably discharged vet. Many people I knew were in a similar situation. A good friend during that period was a Vietnam vet with sever medical issues that had kept him bedridden. Marijuana gave him the ability to get out of bed and get a job, which he was able to perform at successfully.

Granted, people you are familiar with exist. These people are going to be slackers and deadbeats with or without Marijuana. I have met people like this myself, but they are people who are likely to under perform as employees and be deadbeats on their own. And Marijuana is not a "gateway" drug.

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And Pot is not addictive.
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A number of investigators have addressed this issue and found that only a relatively small percentage of those who try marijuana will become addicted. For example, in a large-scale survey published in 1994 epidemiologist James Anthony, then at the National Institute on Drug Abuse, and his colleagues asked more than 8,000 people between the ages of 15 and 64 about their use of marijuana and other drugs. The researchers found that of those who had tried marijuana at least once, about 9 percent eventually fit a diagnosis of cannabis dependence. The corresponding figure for alcohol was 15 percent; for cocaine, 17 percent; for heroin, 23 percent; and for nicotine, 32 percent. So although marijuana may be addictive for some, 91 percent of those who try it do not get hooked. Further, marijuana is less addictive than many other  legal and illegal drugs.

I've been addicted to nicotine and to Diet Coke. I quit smoking Pot with no problems at all.
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Offline AllPurposeAtheist

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« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2013, 12:26:41 PM »
There are numerous health benefits to opium, but most people are oblivious to them. It's not the health benefits of marijuana we need to worry about, but the high cost to society, communities and families from mass incarceration. Being a slacker is NOT a crime any more than being ugly or stupid.
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« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2013, 12:27:58 PM »
There are those for whom pot may be considered a gateway drug, but they are people who were predisposed to be drug abusers in the first place and also started on tobacco before they even got to pot.  One can make a stronger argument that cigarettes are a gateway drug.
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« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2013, 12:32:39 PM »
St Josephs asprin is a gateway drug then and reinforces pointless religion..
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Offline stromboli

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« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2013, 01:08:22 PM »
I'll seriously believe something good is happening when Obama pardons all the people in prison who are there on ridiculous sentences just for possession. The simple act of not incarcerating low level, no violent users will save the US millions yearly. It is a complete time waster to bust somebody for possession when limited resources should be used to deal with real crime, like Youssuf's cartoon shows.

My daughter is a forensic accountant. She goes through accounts and spreadsheets looking for anomalies and has verified the illegalities of several white collar criminals, which led to the prosecution of real thieves. This is the shit that effectively solves crimes, not busting kids with a bag of weed in their car.
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« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2013, 01:12:34 PM »
This is the shit I'm talking about

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When you think of the stereotypical medical marijuana user, Charlotte Figi may be the last person that comes to mind.

That's because Charlotte is 6 years old.

She also suffers from debilitating seizures as a result of a rare form of epilepsy, a condition that's driven the family through just about every possible treatment, searching for some form of normalcy.

Desperate for options, Charlotte's dad, Matt, told CNN they took her to a specialist who recommended a highly specialized diet. That helped slightly, for awhile until "at one point she was outside eating pine cones and stuff, all kinds of different things," Matt said. "As a parent you have to say, let's take a step back and look at this. Is this truly beneficial treatment because of these other things?"

With no other choices, the family explored cannabis oil -- an unconventional treatment, to say the least -- but they told KDVR it worked immediately.

According to a blog by Charlotte's mom, Paige, her daughter's seizures fell from 300 a week to around 3 over an 8 month period. She does note the program was first approved by a team of neurologists and pediatricians. Other benefits:
[Charlotte] is consistently eating and drinking on her own for the first time in years. She sleeps soundly through the night. Her severe autism-like behaviors of self-injury, stimming, crying, violence, no eye contact, zero sleep, lack of social contact ... are a thing of the past. She is clear-headed, focused, has no attention deficit. Charlotte rides horses, skis, paints, dances, hikes. She even has friends for the first time. Her brain is healing. She is healthy. She is happy.
Charlotte is highlighted in a CNN documentary set to air this weekend, in which Sanjay Gupta, the news network's chief medical expert, engages in a national conversation about marijuana.

On Wednesday, Gupta apologized for having "misled" Americans regarding the effects of the drug. He's also penned an article titled, "Why I changed my mind on weed."

This matters to me because my Wife has MS and could see real relief from her symptoms with medical pot.
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Offline AllPurposeAtheist

Re: Progress on Marijuana Reform? Sort of.
« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2013, 01:13:39 PM »
Police are generally lazy fucks and love the low hanging fruit and toss in corruption and there you have it stromboli. To much work with little reward going after people of means..
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Offline Colanth

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« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2013, 03:59:33 PM »
So Rethugs want to reduce federal spending.  And one way to drop a huge expense is to pardon everyone who's in a federal pen for non-violent pot possession.  Would the Rethugs go along with this?  I'm betting not.
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« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2013, 07:08:09 PM »
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So Rethugs want to reduce federal spending.  And one way to drop a huge expense is to pardon everyone who's in a federal pen for non-violent pot possession.  Would the Rethugs go along with this?  I'm betting not.

Exactly what I was thinking.
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« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2013, 07:30:40 PM »
That people who smoke pot are unmotivated is a complete lie. When you're high on marijuana you can do everything you normally do equally well, you just realize it's not worth the fucking effort. There is a difference. Sure, you could wake up a 6am, go to a job you hate that does not inspire you creatively whatsoever, for the rest of your life, or you could wake up at noon, and learn to play the sitar. Pot just makes it easier to choose. And if the price you have to pay to enjoy your life is people calling you a lazy, worthless stoner, than so be it.
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