Author Topic: What does everyone think of sousveillance?  (Read 4131 times)

Offline zarus tathra

Re: What does everyone think of sousveillance?
« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2013, 04:20:29 PM »
Except with cameras, it'll be REALLY easy to prove that someone's stalking you, or to find out that someone's been stalking you. It'll also be really hard to get away with mugging somebody.

Then again, I'm of the view that crime generally isn't a big enough problem to motivate things like universal surveillance. But certainly we do need surveillance of government officials.
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Offline Plu

Re: What does everyone think of sousveillance?
« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2013, 04:37:40 PM »
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Except with cameras, it'll be REALLY easy to prove that someone's stalking you, or to find out that someone's been stalking you.

How? Do you want to place a camera on everyone looking through another camera? You can follow people around through the camera system and know exactly where they go, what they do, who they talk to, everything, all from the privacy of your own home. And then you can go and bother them at your own leisure.

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It'll also be really hard to get away with mugging somebody.

Why? You can use the camera system to figure out every possible angle where you can't be seen on them. All you need is a good mugging spot and a nearby camera to spot victims coming into view of the blind spot.
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Offline zarus tathra

Re: What does everyone think of sousveillance?
« Reply #17 on: August 11, 2013, 07:05:41 PM »
People are seriously more afraid of this than a 1984 scenario?`
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Offline Colanth

Re: What does everyone think of sousveillance?
« Reply #18 on: August 11, 2013, 07:14:26 PM »
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It'll also be really hard to get away with mugging somebody.

Why? You can use the camera system to figure out every possible angle where you can't be seen on them. All you need is a good mugging spot and a nearby camera to spot victims coming into view of the blind spot.
And eventually the only proof accepted in court will be video of the crime (since it's such a "good" system), and the one-eyed man (the mugger who figures out the blind spots) will be king in the land of the blind.
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Offline SilentFutility

Re: What does everyone think of sousveillance?
« Reply #19 on: August 12, 2013, 03:09:33 PM »
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Then again, I'm of the view that crime generally isn't a big enough problem to motivate things like universal surveillance.
The UK government clearly does not share this opinion.
The level of video surveillance in urban areas there is quite staggering.

Re: What does everyone think of sousveillance?
« Reply #20 on: August 12, 2013, 03:30:48 PM »
zarus tathra wrote:
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People are seriously more afraid of this than a 1984 scenario?`
I am afraid of just the government have the surveillance capability.  Here in town about a month or so ago, a man was beaten to death by some police.  The police went to a house where they noticed they were being videotaped and demanded the video as evidence.  Not wanting to be beat to death as well, the people gave over the tapes.  The people complained about it, which is how it got into the news, but to the best of my knowledge, the last thing done was to bury the man.  Which is exactly what will happen every time if the government is the only legal entity allowed to videotape in public.  Which is pretty much a 1984 scenario.  

Which is why we should push for legal clarification of allowing the citizen to videotape the agents of the state.  It is my understanding, that videotaping police in New York City marks you as a terrorist, and you can be treated accordingly.  Unless you have special permission (License) from the city to videotape.  Which is bullshit and unconstitutional.  But, in our current police state, completely understandable.  Remember! War is Peace.  Peace is War.

Offline The Skeletal Atheist

Re: What does everyone think of sousveillance?
« Reply #21 on: August 12, 2013, 04:21:13 PM »
It kind of already exist, if you know where to look. There are thousands of unsecure webcams, including serveillance cams, around the world. A simple Google search with the right terms can lead you to them.

A nice list of terms to use:
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Found those three in a matter of minutes by searching  inurl:"view/index.shtml" on Google.

Anyone can look at these cameras, anyone.

I'm wary of mass surveillance, but I've realized that with technology it's not going away any time soon. As long it's around I don't want the government having a monopoly on surveillance, so I guess in a way I agree with sousveillance.

Edit: Some more!
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Offline zarus tathra

Re: What does everyone think of sousveillance?
« Reply #22 on: August 13, 2013, 11:56:41 AM »
Man the video is choppy as hell. We really need to light up all that dark fiber, stat.
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