Porn/Depiction of Women

[Fidel_Castronaut]

Well that's where the disagreement lies. I read it as 'no' and you read it as 'yes'. Nowhere in his posts did I read anything insinuating 'in any case', which is why I posted.

I see SF arguing that building up a trade, or a transferable skill as preferable to being a Ron Jeremy. That's his point to argue, but I see the merit of it.

[Plu]

I see SF arguing that building up a trade, or a transferable skill as preferable to being a Ron Jeremy. That's his point to argue, but I see the merit of it.

It's barely even worth arguing, but "Ron Jeremy" is a very small subset of "pornstar". And quite obviously, someone who devotes their whole life to doing porn like that isn't going to be qualified to do something else. The problem is that everything SF has said so far sounds like "all pornstars do nothing but sex related stuff and it's impossible for them to have other skills", while I've just been saying that's not true and most have plenty of time to do other stuff.

Unless I'm really horrible at explaining my point it shouldn't be hard to see that porn stars can have just as many useful skills for a job as any other person that had an unrelated job can have. Or SF is just using a completely different definition of ex-pornstar as I am, and only considers someone who devotes their whole life to porn a porn-star, in which case his argument makes perfect sense I guess, although I'd like to hear his opinion on the other 90+% of people who got paid for shooting pornography :P

[Fidel_Castronaut]

I'm actually more of a Peter North fan myself, I was just being flippant.

But I agree with you on that point.

[Plu]

I have no clue what the show is from, but I do know bros before hoes ;)

Who is supposed to be the hoe here? Plu or me? I am the only female in the conversation, is that supposed to be just funny or a hint expressed in joke...? baronvonrort style doesn't become you, Fidel, don't make an ass of yourself.

"bros before hoes" is a saying that assholes use to show that they don't really care about their girlfriends :P I think it's being used tongue in cheek. At least I hope it is, it's really hard to respect anyone who uses the phrase in a serious manner.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

I have no clue what the show is from, but I do know bros before hoes ;)

Who is supposed to be the hoe here? Plu or me? I am the only female in the conversation, is that supposed to be just funny or a hint expressed in joke...? baronvonrort style doesn't become you, Fidel, don't make an ass of yourself.

SEE: Plu's comment

I didn't cherry pick either, I quoted in black and white. His attitude and 'stand' is irrelevent to the point I was examining. Come on shoe, you know what I pointed out was 120% correct. 120%. In not one single place did SF say that he wouldn't hire a pron star 'in any case'.

He could be a serial rapist, but it doesn't detract from the fact accusations contrary to the above are unfounded. You know I'm right. Lets hug.

Nobody in any forum writes or answers to posts without considering the posters attitude or stand expressed in it

I did. Think of it as a non-linguistic synchronic analysis of the comment, and the criticism leveled at him.

I couldn't care less about your fellow country man, but obviously something changed about you, because you are not righti but talking out of your 'arse'. I hope nothing bad happened in RL.

Gif is from Supernatural.

I haven't changed shoe. Just because I disagree doesn't mean I'm suddenly a whole different person. :| I'm just raising a point that I believe the accusation was unfounded, which I stick by unless I'm proven wrong by SF.

I'm all arse.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

I haven't changed shoe. Just because I disagree doesn't mean I'm suddenly a whole different person. :| I'm just raising a point that I believe the accusation was unfounded, which I stick by unless I'm proven wrong by SF.

I'm all arse.

I honestly didn't think that because you disagreed. I have never seen you writing in this style before, that's all. So I thought may be he is having a bad or an 'interesting' time recently.  

And I guess, that was also because I find the notion of covering someone else's back just because they happen to be other's fellow country man a bit...dunno the word, 'peh'. I haven't seen you being sensitive to anyone because they were 'accused' of something you think they didn't do before.

But SF enjoys this, so don't worry. And you can be sure that he'll agree with you on anything even if he's just said the exact opposite in the previous page.

What does "I'm all arse" mean, by the way?

Ha. It doesn't mean anything, except if you like arse ;)

I do try and speak up for others sometimes. That's he's also British doesn't mean anything to me, but I like him as a person, just as I like you and Plu.

[WitchSabrina]

crap---- did I miss a group hug?  *pout*

[Plu]

But heads up, I'll hit the youngest one in the head if he looks funny at me.

I'll keep my eyes averted  8-[

[SilentFutility]

Your post was very clear, what you said was very clear.

It was, but evidently not to you.

And when you are told where that stands,

And this is where you fall flat. You do not repeat back to me what I've said (like I need an echo anyway), but you take what I've said and use it to assume what I think "to write that you must think ___ & ____ & ____", and both in this thread and in the past you've been wrong about what I think probably a good 99% of the time.

you start these series of posts babbling complete nonsense and you enjoy it. You really enjoy this. And now you are talking about my mind. How nice. I wrote that silly list to poke you with what you wrote, because you are acting like you didn't. I don't give a fuck what you think on what point on the subject, I only find the way you look at these people abhorrent. You are unfair and you expressed that unfairness the worst possible way, with your usual fucking arrogance. And I don't have any respect for someone who looks down on some group of people because of their occupation, based on a point of his born into position in life. Everyone can born into any kind of life. You don't get to chose what you're born into. Some can deal with or get out of it, some can't. And after making your high and mighty statements, you are trying to create this air, as if you didn't say anything revolting a bit. If I am exceptionally frustrating don't talk to me. You do not have to get into some conversation with me or agree/disgaree with me...

A paragraph about how I babble about nonsense not responding to anything I've said.
You make my points about ignoring everything I say for me.....  :rollin:



Now, Plu has said something along the lines of "if this is really what you think I definitely disagree" and has asked me to clarify what it is that I think, rather than telling me the 999 things I think and why I'm such an abhorrent person for it.

(Numbered the questions in bolded text to respond to each more clearly)

Of course the best source to ask is SF himself... so I'll just the simple questions:

1. Ceteris paribus, would you consider someone who worked at MacDonalds better qualified than someone who worked the same number of hours doing porn? 2. Would you consider someone who worked at MacDonalds better qualified than someone who worked less hours doing porn and spent more time preparing for the new job? 3. Would you consider someone who spent 8 hours a week sitting in front of the tv watching the static better qualified than someone who spent the same time shooting porn?

4. (And of course the kicker; would you consider your colleagues suddenly less qualified to do their job if you found out that when they said their hobbies were 'drinking beer and watching football' they actually meant 'getting paid to be bummed up the arse', even though both are equally irrelevant to their day-job?)

1.Absolutely, and I'm sure most employers would as well. If it is true that ex- sex workers find it difficult to find other jobs, which I don't have difficulty believing, and it seems that most others in this thread don't either, then that would lend credit to the assertion that most employers would as well.

2.Clearly it depends on what that preparation entails, but if we're assuming it was good, and deliberately learning directly related skills etc. then no. I do think that being a full-time pornstar is more time-intensive and demanding than most people give it credit for though, but that doesn't change the answer to the question. My point was that the job isn't good professional experience, but this also does not change the answer.

3.No. I don't really consider either to be good professional experience that translates well into other fields though.

4. If someone wrote the phrase "bummed up the arse" anywhere on their CV it'd go in the bin  :rollin:
To answer the question seriously though, I would revise my estimation of them as a person, but that would not influence my thinking as to how good they were at their job if they were already doing it well. Likewise, I have worked with other people that I intensely disliked that I thought/knew were brilliant at their jobs.

But SF enjoys this, so don't worry. And you can be sure that he'll agree with you on anything even if he's just said the exact opposite in the previous page.

Admittedly it is funny to watch you backpedal and use all the mental gymnastics you can to find any excuse to justify sticking whatever negative traits on me that you can (such as being a patriarchal cock monarch), but I don't go out of my way to pick arguments and fights with you. I added my views on the topic with my first post in it, you went up in arms about it. If you think that me simply speaking my views (however much you may dislike them) is somehow a provocation directed solely towards you then I'm not sure what to tell you other than that my life really does not revolve around you. I did respond in kind to you telling me exactly what you think I think, but it's a huge leap from that to me deliberately taking pleasure in arguing with you, big logical leaps skipping loads of steps about what I definitely think is nothing new though, is it?

Nobody in any forum writes or answers to posts without considering the posters attitude or stand expressed in it

Yeah, but if every time you say what you think my attitude and stand is, and then I say it isn't and explain why, and you ignore it and continue hounding me for what you think I think, then you're not considering my stand.

[Baruch]

Don't Spam!

[Unbeliever]

Wow, this thread was dug up after 4 years and spammed!? It's a zombie thread!

[Cavebear]

How the media portrays women and how porn portrays women are different things to me.
According to the media, women are supposed to be pleasing visually to both men and women and if they aren't, there is a product to correct every flaw. If you don't fit that standard, you are unworthy of love, attention, success and a lot of other things.

How porn portrays women is as sexually submissive yet insatiable creatures who look up at you gratefully when you splat them in the face with sperm.

As far as what I think of women who do porn, I don't care. I don't think any different about them than I would a woman who bags groceries or acts in plays. It's a job. I don't think the damage womankind in general, which a lot of people claim.

Porn doesnt interest me much, for reasons of fakeness.  But women do.

[Munch]

I watch bear porn, my depiction of attractive men is pretty grounded as long as their big and hairy.

Don't worry CB, its the other kinda bears.

[Unbeliever]

Gummi Bears?

[Baruch]

Wow, this thread was dug up after 4 years and spammed!? It's a zombie thread!

At least they didn't resurrect the Ponies and the pedophiles ... yet.