Author Topic: Porn/Depiction of Women  (Read 6409 times)

Re: Porn/Depiction of Women
« Reply #30 on: August 05, 2013, 05:37:47 PM »
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Did you guys know that almost all het porn is out there made for men? From male point, to serve to the male pleasure...No?


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Re: Porn/Depiction of Women
« Reply #31 on: August 05, 2013, 05:43:59 PM »
Quote from: "drunkenshoe"
Did you guys know that almost all het porn is out there made for men? From male point, to serve to the male pleasure...No?
So that means almost some of it isn't!
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Re: Porn/Depiction of Women
« Reply #32 on: August 05, 2013, 05:59:26 PM »
What's het porn?

Also why are markets geared toward men bad?

Romance novels, soap operas and daytime talk shows are marketed to women.

Is that bad?
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Re: Porn/Depiction of Women
« Reply #33 on: August 05, 2013, 06:22:25 PM »
Quote from: "Triple Nine"
Since this issue seems to have come up this year on the interwebs I think it's important to put out the discussion. What are your views on the sexual depiction of women in art/media/porn/etc.? Now anyone who knows me probably knows where I stand and I wrote a short essay of my thoughts but for now I will keep quiet. How do you feel about these depictions? Do you take a feminist view or not or something not as conventional? I eagerly await your response.
I am male and heteralsexual. I am not a femminist or even an activist. I do want equality for women and I hate men that are so crass and shallow that all they can do is objectify women.
Porno does this unabashedly, and that is the only problem I have with the modern porno industry. Other than that the porno industry is like any other industry.
I don't watch porno because I just don't get arroused by some ficticious crap. I am much more intersted in spending time with my girlfriend, and I mean all the time. Sexual or nonsexual, every moment spent with her is satisfying.

Re: Porn/Depiction of Women
« Reply #34 on: August 05, 2013, 06:37:29 PM »
Quote from: "drunkenshoe"
Did you guys know that almost all het porn is out there made for men? From male point, to serve to the male pleasure...No?
I would think that has more to do with consumption than anything. Heterosexual porn is mainly consumed, or at least paid for, by heterosexual males.

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I would just like to point out that many objections to pornography dissolve when the porn involves gay men, although I'm sure there is a feminist out there who would complain that women are underrepresented gay male porn industry.
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Gay male porn is truly the most misogynist industry at all. Did you know that not a single woman has gotten an award at any of the award ceremonies for gay male porn?

In fact, in all the gay porn I've watched I don't think I've seen a single woman performer....and I don't ever want to see one. Damn...I think that means I'm a woman hater...
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Re: Porn/Depiction of Women
« Reply #35 on: August 05, 2013, 07:19:44 PM »
Quote from: "Jason78"
What's an "empowered role" for women in porn?  Are we talking like Joanna Angel here?

Femdom.

By the way, someone needs to make femdom porn that isn't just a woman with a strap on fucking a guy or weird foot worship crap. I want to watch a woman in a dominant role have sex with a man, not what is essentially just gay bondage porn that happens to feature a woman as the top.
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Re: Porn/Depiction of Women
« Reply #36 on: August 05, 2013, 08:21:17 PM »
The industry is all over the place with a niche for any taste imaginable from people getting off watching others shit to getting beaten to strung up by their balls to just plain great sensual porn. If you don't have an appetite somewhere in porn you're either asexual or so utterly sexually satisfied at home on demand or maybe a little of both. Maybe your gentials were blown off in a war, but there's probably a niche somewhere in porn for that too..
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Re: Porn/Depiction of Women
« Reply #37 on: August 05, 2013, 11:22:43 PM »
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Re: Porn/Depiction of Women
« Reply #38 on: August 05, 2013, 11:46:45 PM »
When I was twelve years old I and my buddies would sneak peaks at the Playboys at certain liquor stores where we knew they were left in reach.  The adolescent hormone grapevine was full of lore about which liquor stores had the harder core stuff, like Gent, or Adam.  (This was before even hustler, and by those standards were still pretty tame).  At some of these the guys at the counter would tolerate a fair amount of snooping before chasing us off. (These were often the ones that would later be lax about asking for ID when we went in to buy booze at 17 or 18.)

Where to draw the line between art and smut?  When I was passing puberty I knew nothing about exploitation.  Smut was smut.  The women were viewed as sluts by "righteous" society, and viewed with longing by my awakening genitals.  I grew up in a society were I was told it was wrong, but was never told the truth about what exactly was wrong with it.

I just watched the Daily Show where John Oliver interviewed Hank Azaria about his role in the new movie "Lovelace".  I saw the movie Deep Throat as a newly minted "young adult" at the Pussycat Theater in San Diego, where it would wind up running for years, making the producers millionaires, while Linda Lovelace got literally fucked out of every penny.

So, have I changed my views on porn?  Well, I am certainly more educated, and in retrospect regret contributing to the fortune Linda saw not a penny of.  Am I opposed to it in all forms?  No.  I still view it occasionally.  Many of the women involved are well compensated, but I still see examples of women who are very likely victims of exploitation.  Banning it will not stop the exploitation.  De-stigmatizing the actors involved will help.
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Re: Porn/Depiction of Women
« Reply #39 on: August 06, 2013, 12:56:45 AM »
My problem is less with porn, but the assumption that women who do porn and women who have certain fetishes are less "valuable" and "respectable" than other people in society.
Many people don't make the distinction between being treated as a mere object with being the object of sexual desire or any desire for that matter. The difference is clear: you don't ask MERE objects for mutual consent beforehand and care what they want.

Note- I don't care much for the porn business because they don't treat the actors and actresses well.

Re: Porn/Depiction of Women
« Reply #40 on: August 06, 2013, 01:23:11 AM »
Quote from: "Poison Tree"
That is, obviously, a key question and one not answered in the NPR piece. I managed to find the study not behind a $30 pay-wall, and while I have not read all of it, this seems to be the relevant passage:

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Re: Porn/Depiction of Women
« Reply #41 on: August 06, 2013, 02:02:41 AM »
There often seems to be a strange disconnect between which depictions of sex society sees as empowering to women and which acts the women preforming them think of as empowering (as Colanth hints at with regard to the D/s dynamic). It brought to mind this opinion piece
"Observe that noses were made to wear spectacles; and so we have spectacles. Legs were visibly instituted to be breeched, and we have breeches" Voltaire�s Candide

Re: Porn/Depiction of Women
« Reply #42 on: August 06, 2013, 02:15:37 AM »
Quote from: "hillbillyatheist"
Romance novels, soap operas and daytime talk shows are marketed to women.

Is that bad?

Yes.  Soap operas do not represent a normal healthy adult relationship.
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Re: Porn/Depiction of Women
« Reply #43 on: August 06, 2013, 02:51:07 AM »
Quote from: "Jason78"
Quote from: "hillbillyatheist"
Romance novels, soap operas and daytime talk shows are marketed to women.

Is that bad?

Yes.  Soap operas do not represent a normal healthy adult relationship.
Of course.  But do women watch them with the expectation that that's a normal and healthy sort of relationship?  Or as a pleasing fantasy?

The idea that men get their cues from porn could use a little scrutiny, imho.

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Re: Porn/Depiction of Women
« Reply #44 on: August 06, 2013, 08:50:51 AM »
My wife and I really enjoy nude artwork and have several nude sculptures in our house. I don't have a problem in general with porn either. When I was younger, [s:1rq5malv]I[/s:1rq5malv] my friends watched TONS of if. The ONLY thing that bothers me about it nowadays is a report I saw on the news where women were being kidnapped and sold into the sex trade and forced to do porn. Every time I see porn now, that's all I can think about. I always wonder if by watching porn, am I supporting human trafficing and illegal sex trade?  :shock:
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