Author Topic: Are You A Materialist Or A Spiritualist In Science?  (Read 1568 times)

Offline Solitary

Are You A Materialist Or A Spiritualist In Science?
« on: July 24, 2013, 10:29:31 AM »
There is a difference between statistical (wave) and quantum (particle) mechanics. It is well known the basic laws of particles behavior underlying statistical mechanics, but it isn't known what those laws are for quantum (particle) mechanics. These are simply two different ways to describe the same thing, a beam of particles. A single particle is always a particle, while a huge amount of electrons or photons, for example, are treated as waves.

Physics teachers and authors use "sloppy," incorrect language when they say, An electron or photon are either a particle or a wave." An electron or photon are always particles while  a huge amount of electrons and photons are treated as waves.

A comunication engineer will describe a signal as a series of pulses localized in time, as if it were a beam of particles, or as a spectrum of frequencies, as if they were a combination of sine waves. The engineers use a mathematical device called the Fourier Transform, which enables the engineers to go back and forth between the two representations. The quantum uncertainty princible can be mathematically derived directly using the Fourier Transform.

I have read books that claim a wave function collapses instantaneously throughout the universe which would violate Einstein's rule that no signal can move faster than light.  The people that make this claim are like religious spiritualists that are seeking---spooks.  :roll: Solitary
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Re: Are You A Materialist Or A Spiritualist In Science?
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2013, 01:25:09 PM »
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There is a difference between statistical (wave) and quantum (particle) mechanics. It is well known the basic laws of particles behavior underlying statistical mechanics, but it isn't known what those laws are for quantum (particle) mechanics. These are simply two different ways to describe the same thing, a beam of particles. A single particle is always a particle, while a huge amount of electrons or photons, for example, are treated as waves.


No!  It's both!  They are both particles and waves at the same time.
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Re: Are You A Materialist Or A Spiritualist In Science?
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2013, 03:37:40 PM »
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Physics teachers and authors use "sloppy," incorrect language when they say, An electron or photon are either a particle or a wave." An electron or photon are always particles while  a huge amount of electrons and photons are treated as waves.
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Experiments have shown that using a single electron or a single photon, you still get interefence patterns.

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No!  It's both!  They are both particles and waves at the same time.

Electrons, or photons, will exhibit particle behavior in a given set of  experiments, and wave behavior in a different set of experiments, but never exhibit both at the same time.

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Re: Are You A Materialist Or A Spiritualist In Science?
« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2013, 01:17:29 AM »
Isn't built up by a photon by photon more than one photon? Solitary


Maybe this will help you understand what is going on in the double slit experiment with one photon at a time.

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Re: Are You A Materialist Or A Spiritualist In Science?
« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2013, 04:40:40 AM »
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Physics teachers and authors use "sloppy," incorrect language when they say, An electron or photon are either a particle or a wave." An electron or photon are always particles while  a huge amount of electrons and photons are treated as waves.
Solitary
Experiments have shown that using a single electron or a single photon, you still get interefence patterns.

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No!  It's both!  They are both particles and waves at the same time.

Electrons, or photons, will exhibit particle behavior in a given set of  experiments, and wave behavior in a different set of experiments, but never exhibit both at the same time.

Hey!  Would you look at that!   You posted a video where a photon exhibits both behaviors.
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Offline josephpalazzo

Re: Are You A Materialist Or A Spiritualist In Science?
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2013, 09:43:13 AM »
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Isn't built up by a photon by photon more than one photon? Solitary
Maybe this will help you understand what is going on in the double slit experiment with one photon at a time.

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Physics teachers and authors use "sloppy," incorrect language when they say, An electron or photon are either a particle or a wave." An electron or photon are always particles while  a huge amount of electrons and photons are treated as waves.
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Experiments have shown that using a single electron or a single photon, you still get interefence patterns.

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No!  It's both!  They are both particles and waves at the same time.

Electrons, or photons, will exhibit particle behavior in a given set of  experiments, and wave behavior in a different set of experiments, but never exhibit both at the same time.

Hey!  Would you look at that!   You posted a video where a photon exhibits both behaviors.
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« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2013, 10:13:19 AM »
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Doesn't the photon interfere with itself as it passes through both slits?  If you fire enough single photons through, you still get the interference pattern.

I'm not sure that I understand your blog entry.  Surely if you're firing a single photon from the source in the interferometer then you should expect a single photon 50% of the time in detector A and 50% of the time in Detector B.  (Here I'm thinking that if a single photon hits a beam splitter it should be deflected about 50% of the time)
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Offline Solitary

Re: Are You A Materialist Or A Spiritualist In Science?
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2013, 10:51:13 AM »
Thank you!  Solitary
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Re: Are You A Materialist Or A Spiritualist In Science?
« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2013, 10:59:01 AM »
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Doesn't the photon interfere with itself as it passes through both slits?  If you fire enough single photons through, you still get the interference pattern.

I'm not sure that I understand your blog entry.  Surely if you're firing a single photon from the source in the interferometer then you should expect a single photon 50% of the time in detector A and 50% of the time in Detector B.  (Here I'm thinking that if a single photon hits a beam splitter it should be deflected about 50% of the time)
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