Author Topic: Living life to the fullest  (Read 3497 times)

Offline mykcob4

Re: Living life to the fullest
« Reply #15 on: July 13, 2013, 10:41:00 AM »
Quote from: "stromboli"
I consider myself a person with some intelligence and capable of guile. I can see situations where I might do something criminal, but I don't because the gain is not worth the risk. I don't lie for the same reason, because the outcome isn't worth the effort of having to keep remembering the lie. I think that might be a definition of sanity.
I find it odd that people don't commit crimes because of the risk. One should not commit a crime because it is a crime, not that they may suffer punishment. I also don't subscribe to the conservative tenet that it isn't a crime if you don't get caught. That is morally reprehensible.
If one is an adult, and understands right from wrong, one should choose to do the right thing for the sake of morality and for no other reason. To not commit a crime for any other reason is just immature childishnessness.

Offline AllPurposeAtheist

Re: Living life to the fullest
« Reply #16 on: July 13, 2013, 10:46:16 AM »
SGOS, I've known a few guys who claimed to like life in prisons. They claim drugs are much easier to get, the pressure to find a sex partner is near nil and so on. Of course everything they do almost is illegal and often lands them in the hole for a month, but short of that they become accustomed to the structure and opportunities to commit more crimes behind the walls. Almost everyone I know who has been in prison will tell you it's much easier time than the county jail.
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Offline SGOS

Re: Living life to the fullest
« Reply #17 on: July 13, 2013, 02:13:21 PM »
Quote from: "AllPurposeAtheist"
SGOS, I've known a few guys who claimed to like life in prisons. They claim drugs are much easier to get, the pressure to find a sex partner is near nil and so on. Of course everything they do almost is illegal and often lands them in the hole for a month, but short of that they become accustomed to the structure and opportunities to commit more crimes behind the walls. Almost everyone I know who has been in prison will tell you it's much easier time than the county jail.
I had a friend who went to prison for a year for drug dealing.  He described it as "boot camp."  Yeah, I can understand some guys might like it, but for me, and I'm sure for most people, it's a poor alternative to living on the outside.  I have better things to do with my life and finding the easiest way to get drugs.  You can tell me all the advantages there is to life in prison and maybe there are some, but for me, there are more advantages, at least the kind I want, outside of prison.  For someone who aspires to a life in prison, with little effort he can have it.  But I think he's set his sights pretty low.

Offline SGOS

Re: Living life to the fullest
« Reply #18 on: July 13, 2013, 02:26:12 PM »
Quote from: "stromboli"
I consider myself a person with some intelligence and capable of guile. I can see situations where I might do something criminal, but I don't because the gain is not worth the risk. I don't lie for the same reason, because the outcome isn't worth the effort of having to keep remembering the lie. I think that might be a definition of sanity.
I'm with you.  It's not worth the risk, and just as important, it's not worth the effort.  I've known a few guys that love ducking the system.  And I'm talking about for nickel dime stuff where the punishment isn't even that bad.  I tried it for awhile and got away with it too, but I hated looking over my shoulder to avoid getting caught just to save a few bucks.  I eventually decided it was a lot less sweat to simply follow the rules.

Now a big diamond heist might be different.  Nah, still not worth the effort.  And as far as something between the two extremes, it's probably more lucrative and easier to get a job greeting people at Wal-Mart than to rob a liquor store every month.

Offline Colanth

Re: Living life to the fullest
« Reply #19 on: July 13, 2013, 07:29:21 PM »
Quote from: "mykcob4"
I find it odd that people don't commit crimes because of the risk. One should not commit a crime because it is a crime, not that they may suffer punishment.
People with morals don't do wrong things that are wrong.  People with religion don't do wrong things because they might be punished.
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Offline frosty

Re: Living life to the fullest
« Reply #20 on: August 04, 2013, 02:14:21 AM »
Living your life to the fullest I think is an issue of perception. You have to do what makes you personally fulfilled. Part of the problem I think is that people are going off media stereotypes about how living life to the fullest is getting drunk, doing drugs, sky diving, skiing, rock climbing, hooking up with models, living in a mansion, driving fast expensive cars, etc.. You get the point.

The problem with that stereotype is, I think, three things:

1) Life isn't always awesome. There is going to be rough times if you like it or not and you must deal with them. You aren't always going to get what I described above, and that upsets some people.

2) People spend so much time worrying about and looking for "how to live life to the fullest", when they are wasting time in their lives!! They are so busy and frustrated searching for what they have been told is the ideal life that in the process of doing so they lose their motivation and energy.

3) I've heard many people in my life talk about how material possessions are fun for a while, but they never fill whatever mental hole you have inside. Even if you are able to get the fancy things I described above, would that really make you happy? Do you think it would truly satisfy you, or did somebody tell you it would and you just believed them without questioning it?

My personal idea of living life to the fullest is accomplishing what you truly, 100 percent believe you really desire. Whatever that is, is up to you. But until you discover what you want to get out of life for yourself, then you will always be searching.

My $0.02.

Re: Living life to the fullest
« Reply #21 on: August 04, 2013, 07:22:23 AM »
I don't have kids either, I never really wanted them, and I don't really feel that bringing kids into the world we're creating is a particularly good thing for them or me with the way things are now.  I don't see my lifestyle as being selfish, as the idea of selfishness implies that I'm denying something to someone else, which isn't the case.  

Everyone should be able to make their own lifestyle choices.  What's right for one isn't necessarily right for another.

I'm with the post that said this is pretty much a one-way ticket so make the best of it.

Offline SGOS

Re: Living life to the fullest
« Reply #22 on: August 04, 2013, 07:22:59 AM »
Oops, post in the wrong thread.

Re: Living life to the fullest
« Reply #23 on: August 04, 2013, 11:54:19 AM »
I believe in the tit-for-tat theory.  If I treat people like shit, they will treat me like shit.  Just makes sense.  For instance, the Sargent tells the guys in his platoon, "These guys around you are going into combat with you.  They may end up saving your life.  Then again, maybe they won't.  Treat them accordingly."  Most of us will never go into combat, but we will all experience problems, which someone can help us with.  Then again, maybe they won't, if you treat them like doormats.

I'm kind of wondering what you guys think of victimless crime.  By far the most common, is recreational drug use, but there are many others.  Such as prostitution, illegal gambling, and the violation of blue laws.  Is it morally wrong to do these things?  Granted, it might not be a very good idea for other reasons, especially since these are usually criminal activities which might land you in jail or get your throat slit, but if legal and reasonably safe, is it okay to do them?

Personal opinion is yes.  Especially if they are properly regulated.  And assuming you regulate yourself.  Christians in this country make this stuff illegal, which just makes the consequences of them worse.  Unregulated drugs hit the street, where people fight over territories and the customers don't know what they are really getting.  Women are forced into prostitution by some scum bag pimp.  Illegal gambling joints are established, where if you do actually win, your throat is likely to get cut as you leave the place.  

Anyway, what about victimless crimes? Okay or not?

Offline Thumpalumpacus

Re: Living life to the fullest
« Reply #24 on: August 04, 2013, 11:59:10 AM »
Quote from: "GSOgymrat"
In order to maximize my experiences lying, stealing and killing may be necessary (someone has to pay for my good times and work blows).
As long as I don't get caught, this is the best way to live life to the fullest.

Thoughts?

Your client seems to be forgetting that other people don't like being treated like shit, and will generally return the favor.
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Offline FrankDK

Re: Living life to the fullest
« Reply #25 on: August 04, 2013, 12:07:27 PM »
> lying, stealing and killing may be necessary (someone has to pay for my good times and work blows).

You could be a banker, politician, or car salesman.  Other than that, you should remember that the "path" in sociopath means "sick."

If you are hurting others unnecessarily, you are not living live to the fullest.

Frank

Re: Living life to the fullest
« Reply #26 on: August 04, 2013, 05:35:18 PM »
Quote from: "LikelyToBreak"

Anyway, what about victimless crimes? Okay or not?

I think whether a "victimless" crime is okay depends on whether one values the freedom of the individual over other values such as purity, tradition or the welfare of the community. Considering prostitution, if one believes that sex is inherently sacred, that prostitution is dehumanizing by treating women as objects instead of people or that prostitution undermines committed relationships-- obviously it would not be okay. However if one believes people should have the freedom to do what they want with their own bodies and enter into consensual and honest business transactions-- it would be okay.

My personal opinion is that just because something is likely to result in bad consequences doesn't necessarily mean it should be illegal. I don't think prostitution is a good idea for various reasons but I think the right of individuals to manage their own sexual relationships, even if they involve exchanging cash, supersedes my concerns.
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Offline Colanth

Re: Living life to the fullest
« Reply #27 on: August 04, 2013, 10:03:20 PM »
Quote from: "frosty"
3) I've heard many people in my life talk about how material possessions are fun for a while, but they never fill whatever mental hole you have inside. Even if you are able to get the fancy things I described above, would that really make you happy?
For me that's really simple.  Just let me keep learning until the morning I don't wake up and I'll have been happy until my last night.  A life "easy" enough that I don't suffer would also be nice.  (Enough, not "more, more, more".)

Now, waking up in an 18 year old healthy body after I die would be nice, but an easy death is at least realistic.
Afflicting the comfortable for 70 years.
Science builds skyscrapers, faith flies planes into them.

 

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