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Offline surly74

Re: Atheists The Most Feared Group In America (?)
« Reply #15 on: July 10, 2013, 03:15:35 PM »
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Truth is the most potent weapon. That's why theists fear us.

they fear truth? or they have a different version of it?
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Offline Solitary

Re: Atheists The Most Feared Group In America (?)
« Reply #16 on: July 10, 2013, 04:09:36 PM »
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How is it decided one is an alcoholic? Is it one drink too many, or something else? Is it when drinking controls one's life like religion does? Or is it just a crutch or slow form of suicide? I'm being sincere with this and want answers. Solitary


controlling your life is a big thing. i'm struck but the connection to religion...i've never heard it put like you just did. I have heard that religion is a substitute for alcohol in the recovery process but for whaterver reason never thought in those destructive terms.


Thanks for answering my stupid questions!

Both of my parents were alcoholics, and drug users, that was legal when they were young. I think it was a way to escape they learned from the Great Depression. The ultimate escape from an insane world is suicide. Life can really be a bitch at times, and using drugs or alcohol for that reason and not for recreation can be destructive. When I've been in really bad times I have used alcohol or weed to relax, but when it no longer worked I'd quit.

However, I do believe there is a chemical imbalance that causes drug or alcohol addiction. I've had PTSD for most of my life and finally got treatment for it. I can't believe a little pill can make such a difference. It supplies a hormone or chemical that was out of balance in my brain. So much for a soul that isn't created by the brain.  :shock: Good luck with must be a problem if you go to AA with their religious BS. Have you ever talked to your doctor, not psychologist, about something you could take to help? Pharmacology has come a long ways even in the last few years.
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Re: Atheists The Most Feared Group In America (?)
« Reply #17 on: July 10, 2013, 04:15:56 PM »
Quote from: "stromboli"
Intellectual atheists have a nasty habit of thinking that atheists are smarter, more rational, or generally superior to theists. They themselves would also benefit from acknowledging atheists are not a homogeneous group.


Intelligent? Meh, perhaps rational is a better word choice. One doesn't need intelligence to rule out the inconsistencies in religion.
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Offline Solitary

Re: Atheists The Most Feared Group In America (?)
« Reply #18 on: July 10, 2013, 04:24:43 PM »
There is nothing more frightful than ignorance in action.

Offline josephpalazzo

Re: Atheists The Most Feared Group In America (?)
« Reply #19 on: July 10, 2013, 05:07:04 PM »
Quote from: "surly74"
Quote from: "josephpalazzo"
Truth is the most potent weapon. That's why theists fear us.

they fear truth? or they have a different version of it?

Well of course they have their own version. It goes without saying. But their leaders always fear that we will put a dent on their truth and consequently draw their members away. So it is always imperative for the leadership, be it the minister, the pope, or the slew of apologists, to guard against such a possible hemorrhage.

Offline Plu

Re: Atheists The Most Feared Group In America (?)
« Reply #20 on: July 10, 2013, 05:25:22 PM »
Quote from: "Solitary"
How is it decided one is an alcoholic? Is it one drink too many, or something else? Is it when drinking controls one's life like religion does? Or is it just a crutch or slow form of suicide? I'm being sincere with this and want answers. Solitary

There will never be a good way to decide when one is considered an alcoholic until society reaches the point where it realises that alcohol is a hard-drug on par with cocaine and not some jokey-fun liquid.

Ask yourself: how much cocain does one need to use to be considered an addict? I think it pales compared to how much alcohol people we consider "regular people" consume.
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Offline Seabear

Re: Atheists The Most Feared Group In America (?)
« Reply #21 on: July 10, 2013, 05:35:43 PM »
My theory is that on some level or another, theists fear the implications of atheists rather than atheists themselves.

Specifically, the implications should we be right. In many cases, they have lived their entire lives being convinced that something is true, and that its evil to even question its veracity in any way. And here we are, doing just that, in very effective ways, in some cases. And, without any lightning bolts from heaven.

I think that most people are subject to rationality, at least to some extent. Our logic has to raise some uncomfortable questions in all but the most obtuse theist. It's emotionally disturbing for them - what if maybe, just maybe, we are right? Everything they have lived their whole lives believing and emotionally relying upon MIGHT just be a lie. It's not hard to see how that sort of emotional insecurity could result in hate.
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Re: Atheists The Most Feared Group In America (?)
« Reply #22 on: July 10, 2013, 05:36:01 PM »
If you continue to do something, IE, drink alcohol, or use drugs, that causes you problems, you have a problem. It's not how much, or how often, but what happens when you use these chemicals.
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Offline Plu

Re: Atheists The Most Feared Group In America (?)
« Reply #23 on: July 10, 2013, 05:52:05 PM »
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If you continue to do something, IE, drink alcohol, or use drugs, that causes you problems, you have a problem. It's not how much, or how often, but what happens when you use these chemicals.

By that logic, a lot of people are alcoholics, even though most of them don't consider themselves to be alcoholics, nor does society.
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Offline Colanth

Re: Atheists The Most Feared Group In America (?)
« Reply #24 on: July 10, 2013, 07:37:02 PM »
Quote from: "stromboli"
I also wonder how much bias is built into the study. The University of Tennessee, far as I know, is not a hotbed of atheism. Your thoughts?
Quite a lot of bias, since most of it is written from the Christian perspective.  For instance, it's not that atheists are smarter, it's that people more able to think rationally don't accept religion as sensible.  The average intelligence of atheists (IOW, averaging the intelligence of all atheists, if that were possible) is probably higher than the average intelligence of all theists, but Christianity reverses cause and effect, the same way this study does.

BTW, I've seen the Christian fear of not believing in any kind of god - some of them just can't fathom it and some, while they can accept it - at least intellectually - are terrified by it.  One fundy actually told me that claiming to not believe in any supernatural being is a form of terrorism (because hearing it terrified him).
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Offline Solitary

Re: Atheists The Most Feared Group In America (?)
« Reply #25 on: July 10, 2013, 07:57:58 PM »
Quote from: "Jmpty"
If you continue to do something, IE, drink alcohol, or use drugs, that causes you problems, you have a problem. It's not how much, or how often, but what happens when you use these chemicals.



 :-k  You may be on to something there. I never thought of it like that. I do believe there are addictive personalities, and that fits right in with that hypothesis. Solitary
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Offline stromboli

Re: Atheists The Most Feared Group In America (?)
« Reply #26 on: July 10, 2013, 09:25:27 PM »
I've been involved with a few xtian sects and Mormons both, and there are some intelligent people there, many smarter than me. Many people live in religion because it is easier than confronting it. I have always believed the truth is that far more people are agnostic or nonbelievers than studies show, because a large number of them don't reveal their true beliefs.

My experience is that most people tend to ride the tide, so to speak, rather than buck it, simply because it is easier. In my case it took a fairly drastic situation to confront my beliefs. Lacking that, people don't bother. An example is the fact that more than 40% of Mormons are inactive- almost half, even though their numbers are counted as members. They just don't care.

I also believe that the numbers of atheists are rising partly because it no longer carries the stigma it once did, and people who were neutral are less afraid to identify as one.
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Re: Atheists The Most Feared Group In America (?)
« Reply #27 on: July 10, 2013, 09:42:25 PM »
Quote from: "Plu"
Quote from: "Jmpty"
If you continue to do something, IE, drink alcohol, or use drugs, that causes you problems, you have a problem. It's not how much, or how often, but what happens when you use these chemicals.

By that logic, a lot of people are alcoholics, even though most of them don't consider themselves to be alcoholics, nor does society.

That's correct. A lot of people are. It's somewhat accepted in society to drink till you puke, crash your car, beat your wife, spend the rent money at the bar, get divorced because your spouse can't deal with your drunk ass, lose your job, etc. Some people continue this pattern until they die from it.
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Re: Atheists The Most Feared Group In America (?)
« Reply #28 on: July 11, 2013, 01:43:40 AM »
Quote from: "Solitary"
Oh what the hell does Jesus know? :roll:  Just kidding! Good point! Most people think intelligence is how much you know. I agree with Einstein: "Intelligence is what is left after you have forgotten everything you have learned."


I completely agree. There are distinct differences when comparing intelligence, wisdom, and rationalism. Intelligence is perhaps the one that is most straightforward; it merely pertains to the amount of information one has in his or her mind, whilst wisdom is the application of intelligence during specific times. Oh, and rationalism falls in between the lines of common sense and intelligence.



Oh, and I remember reading that Einstein was a mediocre student at his school, earning average marks and performing poorly in many subject areas.
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Offline Plu

Re: Atheists The Most Feared Group In America (?)
« Reply #29 on: July 11, 2013, 02:27:47 AM »
Quote from: "Jmpty"
Quote from: "Plu"
Quote from: "Jmpty"
If you continue to do something, IE, drink alcohol, or use drugs, that causes you problems, you have a problem. It's not how much, or how often, but what happens when you use these chemicals.

By that logic, a lot of people are alcoholics, even though most of them don't consider themselves to be alcoholics, nor does society.

That's correct. A lot of people are. It's somewhat accepted in society to drink till you puke, crash your car, beat your wife, spend the rent money at the bar, get divorced because your spouse can't deal with your drunk ass, lose your job, etc. Some people continue this pattern until they die from it.

At least we agree there :) So many people still see alcohol as some harmless pastime.
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