Who killed Islam?

[Mai Mariarti]

Believe it or not Osama Ben Laden did, when he plotted the destruction of the twin towers. Sure, over 3 thousand people died in that disaster but 40 thousand people die every year in North America in car accidents alone! You don't see armies lining up to change that do you?
What he did, was to bring focus to this sadistic religion. Since then, Google searches on Islam and Muslims have gone through the roof (based on testimony of a friend who works at Google it has jumped 15000%).
So what's so special about what this guy did? In a nut shell, he single handedly destroyed Islam. I can't help but be grateful for that. I am very sorry for the families who lost love ones in that awful day and the following wars, but, this is that silver lining in the clouds.
I got beaten up in Iran so bad at the age of 17 that my father decided to ship me off to the west since I wouldn't budge on being an atheist, and couldn't or wouldn't conform to the insane Islamic theocracy that took over the Shah's regime. He probably saved my life –or-at least, extended it.
The Irony of all this, is that a Muslim is responsible for the destruction of Islam!
Long live the king of reason, which makes us atheist intelligent humans at the end.
Down with the rest of the mambo jumbo crap, religion has to offer.

[Satt]

I think there is a solid plan to use the tolerance of the world to take over the world for Islam.

[Mai Mariarti]

I think there is a solid plan to use the tolerance of the world to take over the world for Islam.

I like your signature picture of Bill Maher flipping the finger, but your response, escapes me.
Can you elaborate?

[Solitary]

I don't think any religious ideology can be destroyed because it is pragmatic and works for most people. Most people like being slaves because it gives them comfort and security even though they are the first ones that protest the most that they want freedom, freedom is a scary thing because then you are responsible for what you do and it makes one uncomfortable and insecure unless they are adults that can make their own decisions and accept the consequences when they are wrong. And most people are intellectually lazy and it's easier to have all the answers with religion that science can't provide because it is tentative. In other words believing in magic and superstitious nonsense is silly and childish.  :roll: Solitary

[Youssuf Ramadan]

The Irony of all this, is that a Muslim is responsible for the destruction of Islam!

Which version of Islam?  And how come Islam as a whole is still growing?  Don't get me wrong, I hope every ass-backwards theistic religion fucks off and dies pronto, I was just wondering....

I got beaten up in Iran so bad at the age of 17 that my father decided to ship me off to the west since I wouldn't budge on being an atheist, and couldn't or wouldn't conform to the insane Islamic theocracy that took over the Shah's regime. He probably saved my life –or-at least, extended it.

That's pretty harsh for you, dude.  Fair play for standing up for your ideals.  Which part of the west did you move to?  Hopefully not one of the Billy-Bob Banjo Christian fundie areas of the US.  Now that would be ironic!

By the way, the Shah's regime is very interesting when you look at the involvement of the US government, the CIA and Mossad's training of SAVAK and the involvement of the likes of Oliver North, Chase Manhattan Bank and some rather naughty arms deals, issues that the US government were very keen to draw a hasty veil over.   :-$

[Mai Mariarti]

I don't think any religious ideology can be destroyed because it is pragmatic and works for most people. Most people like being slaves because it gives them comfort and security even though they are the first ones that protest the most that they want freedom, freedom is a scary thing because then you are responsible for what you do and it makes one uncomfortable and insecure unless they are adults that can make their own decisions and accept the consequences when they are wrong. And most people are intellectually lazy and it's easier to have all the answers with religion that science can't provide because it is tentative. In other words believing in magic and superstitious nonsense is silly and childish.  :roll: Solitary

Most of the things you say, rings true. However, Islam is growing because poverty is growing. Islam is the religion of the poor and intellectually challenged. If some Arab nation is wealthy, it doesn't make them rich. Islam is a religion for slaves and sheep as you mentioned above and will most likely never die as longs as there are ignorants in this world. That's true for all religions. However, the idealism of Islam as a religion of peace and tolerance died on Sept/11 and people look at Muslims with a new sense of prejudice and skepticism.

[Voskhod]

The one who killed Islam was the prophet Mohammad himself.

[Satt]

I think there is a solid plan to use the tolerance of the world to take over the world for Islam.

I like your signature picture of Bill Maher flipping the finger, but your response, escapes me.
Can you elaborate?

Here are two links to get you started...

//http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/muslim-behavior-with-population-increase/

//http://www.wnd.com/2003/08/20098/

[PopeyesPappy]

Islam is dead? Has anyone shared this little tidbit of information with the 1.5 billion Muslims scattered around planet?

[Jmpty]

Religions are all like the mythical hydra. Cut off one head and two grow back. Any attempt to kill it only makes it stronger. The best we can hope for, is to cage the beast and keep it there until it dies of old age and starvation, by continuing to advocate and enforce secular ideals, and church/state separation. Keep it out of the public sector, and it will die. It will take longer in the middle east, but it will happen.

[stromboli]

Islam is not dying. It is getting bigger and growing and spreading. It has always been a religion for the poor and illiterate, so nothing new there. Likewise with inbreeding, though it is becoming more obvious as time goes on.

[Colanth]

However, Islam is growing because poverty is growing.

That's religion in general, not just Islam.

The poor cling to religion, since they have no hope of ending their poverty while alive.  They also outbreed everyone else.  So the more poverty, the more children, and they're mostly children of insane (also known as "the religious").

[viocjit]

In the next link //http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/muslim-behavior-with-population-increase/ that Satt shared with us. I can say that for me the information contain in this article are correct.

They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. (United States ).

France — Muslim 8%
Philippines — Muslim 5%
Sweden — Muslim 5%
Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad &Tobago — Muslim 5.8%

I can confirm that. I will tell to you you a real story.
Reconstitution of an event of my life (wwsm is the abbreviation of "woman who serves meals") :
Muslim : C'est Halal ? [This is Halal ?]
WWSM : Tout est halal ici , mais il ne faut pas le dire parce'que c'est une école publique. [Here all is halal , but do not tell this because this is a public school].

[Mai Mariarti]

I think there is a solid plan to use the tolerance of the world to take over the world for Islam.

I like your signature picture of Bill Maher flipping the finger, but your response, escapes me.
Can you elaborate?

Here are two links to get you started...

//http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/muslim-behavior-with-population-increase/

//http://www.wnd.com/2003/08/20098/

I really like the first URL in its spirit. However the source of all these data is not given. I too can pull numbers out of my ass to prove something. Don't get me wrong i am not arguing with you but the source and conclusion of the author.
These "Grand Plan" schemes are more geared towards the paranoid (GOP type) which I do not subscribe to. Being a former Muslim, I don't need any no-Muslim telling me about a grand plan. I know there are none. Muslims stick to their way of thinking and don't budge and we think that because they are so firm in their beliefs, that there is a plan.
These assholes don't know what they had for lunch yesterday. and cutting and pasting snippets of what I or others say doesn't make an argument right. This "out of context" quoting has been practiced for as long as I can remember and doesn't add value to the argument or the logic.
Just because one calls themselves Muslim, doesn't mean they are Muslims. I know plenty of Muslims who say they are Muslims, but sleep around, get drunk, get high and never pray or go to a mosque.
These people are Muslims by name alone and don't mean anything. Christians are not supposed to eat pork either, just like Jews and Muslims. But how many Christians do you know who don't like to eat bacon?
True Islam IS dead. The fact that they are killing themselves left and right is not that they are stronger. Exactly the opposite. As the Japanese did at the end of the war. They killed themselves to save face and prove their resolve.
Islam is dead. It's dead because of the information flow through the internet. Face book and Tweeter did what you know it did.
People all around the world want to have a good time. They subconsciously know that this is the only time they get to feel good and alive. Once dead, they are dead and forgotten in one generation. That's why we are afraid of dying. Our subconscious knows the rest to be bullshit.
As Hafiz (one of the greatest poets of the Iranian race once said); Give me a slap in the face in cash now, keep the I owe yous for yourself.

[Mai Mariarti]

However, Islam is growing because poverty is growing.

That's religion in general, not just Islam.

The poor cling to religion, since they have no hope of ending their poverty while alive.  They also outbreed everyone else.  So the more poverty, the more children, and they're mostly children of insane (also known as "the religious").

Isn't that what I said?