Author Topic: What's So Special About Special Relativety?  (Read 1726 times)

Offline Solitary

What's So Special About Special Relativety?
« on: July 02, 2013, 09:17:37 AM »
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« Last Edit: July 11, 2013, 01:34:37 AM by Solitary »
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Re: What's So Special About Special Relativety?
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2013, 09:30:35 AM »
Show your math, please.
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Offline Solitary

Re: What's So Special About Special Relativety?
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2013, 09:33:35 AM »
You have no idea how disappointed I am that my first impression of you was correct.  :roll:  Solitary
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Re: What's So Special About Special Relativety?
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2013, 01:11:51 PM »
Quote from: "Solitary"
Einstein combined his assumptions concerning the "measured" constancy  of the velocity of light with his first assumption that all motion is relative. This means that foreshortening or mass-gain is not "real" phenomenon but only a change in measurement. The amount by which length was decreased by or mass increased was not something that could be absolutely determined but different from observer to observer.  :shock:  #-o   Solitary

Absolutely determined by what frame of reference?
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Offline Solitary

Re: What's So Special About Special Relativety?
« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2013, 02:24:27 PM »
Quote from: "Jason78"
Quote from: "Solitary"
Einstein combined his assumptions concerning the "measured" constancy  of the velocity of light with his first assumption that all motion is relative. This means that foreshortening or mass-gain is not "real" phenomenon but only a change in measurement. The amount by which length was decreased by or mass increased was not something that could be absolutely determined but different from observer to observer.  :shock:  #-o   Solitary

Absolutely determined by what frame of reference?

Good question!
By an observers frame of reference or co-ordinates. And like it says, "not" absolutely. This does not mean that there isn't an absolute frame of reference like space-time. But one would have to be outside the universe to observe it, which would probably make it impossible. Solitary
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Re: What's So Special About Special Relativety?
« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2013, 03:29:06 PM »
Quote from: "Solitary"
You have no idea how disappointed I am that my first impression of you was correct.  :roll:  Solitary
I'm sorry you don't want to back up your speculation with some hard facts.
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
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Re: What's So Special About Special Relativety?
« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2013, 07:15:36 PM »
Quote from: "Solitary"
Quote from: "Jason78"
Quote from: "Solitary"
Einstein combined his assumptions concerning the "measured" constancy  of the velocity of light with his first assumption that all motion is relative. This means that foreshortening or mass-gain is not "real" phenomenon but only a change in measurement. The amount by which length was decreased by or mass increased was not something that could be absolutely determined but different from observer to observer.  :shock:  #-o   Solitary

Absolutely determined by what frame of reference?

Good question!
By an observers frame of reference or co-ordinates. And like it says, "not" absolutely. This does not mean that there isn't an absolute frame of reference like space-time. But one would have to be outside the universe to observe it, which would probably make it impossible. Solitary

A meaningless reference frame is no frame at all.  So what are you left with?
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Offline Hakurei Reimu

Re: What's So Special About Special Relativety?
« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2013, 11:57:57 PM »
any reference frame that is convenient to do your physics in, as long as it is inertial, and your results will be valid.

I think you need to go back to your box, Sol.
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Re: What's So Special About Special Relativety?
« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2013, 05:06:29 AM »
Quote from: "Hakurei Reimu"
any reference frame that is convenient to do your physics in, as long as it is inertial, and your results will be valid.

I think you need to go back to your box, Sol.
Sol seems to have a file of "hot topics" that he fishes around in on a regular basis. "Just getting them out there." Good, because he has been able to defend his position on much so far. Seems shocked that anyone would even call  him to do so. Silly boy, that shit don't work here.
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

 

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