Author Topic: Greetings  (Read 367 times)

Re: Greetings
« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2022, 05:01:10 PM »
Socialism has done many good things for the poor. Socialism has improved standards of living, quality of life, literacy, education, healthcare, rights for minorities, etc. Socialism has provided universal healthcare, free housing and improved caloric intake as well as lifespan.
I am in favor of a social democracy, Nordic style. Some semblances of a free market system without the state controlling production or deciding your career, based grade school aptitude tests. Big difference between hard-core communism and democratic socialism however much of the right-wing conservative cohort would disagree.

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Re: Greetings
« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2022, 05:04:35 PM »
Communism involves a stateless, classless, moneyless society as I have previously explained.

Re: Greetings
« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2022, 05:06:16 PM »
Socialism has done many good things for the poor. Socialism has improved standards of living, quality of life, literacy, education, healthcare, rights for minorities, etc. Socialism has provided universal healthcare, free housing and improved caloric intake as well as lifespan.
To a large extent, I agree with all of what you said.  And many on this site do too.  I don't think communism is possible--too ideal.  Same with democracy and capitalism, as well.  Pure anything is simply too ideal and will always fail.
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Re: Greetings
« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2022, 05:08:42 PM »
I am in favor of a social democracy, Nordic style. Some semblances of a free market system without the state controlling production or deciding your career, based grade school aptitude tests. Big difference between hard-core communism and democratic socialism however much of the right-wing conservative cohort would disagree.

Social Democracy is a flawed and naïve concept, Capitalism and Socialism can NOT coexist. Social Democracies still have all the problems of Capitalism, they still have the exploitation that is inherent in a Capitalist system and the wage slavery, they just slightly alleviate and hide those problems, but they are still present. Workers are still not being fully entitled to the fruits of their labor and the Capitalist still extracts surplus value and the workers are not entitled to reap what they sow, this is within a Social Democracy.

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Re: Greetings
« Reply #19 on: January 04, 2022, 05:12:52 PM »
To a large extent, I agree with all of what you said.  And many on this site do too.  I don't think communism is possible--too ideal.  Same with democracy and capitalism, as well.  Pure anything is simply too ideal and will always fail.

Communism differs from the Utopian Socialism that had existed before Marx, in the sense that it is scientific. It is possible to eventually achieve if we can first achieve a Socialist world, we already have an abundance of material wealth and certain conditions required to bring forth Socialist revolutions to eventually make way for the achievement of a worldwide Communist Society.

Re: Greetings
« Reply #20 on: January 04, 2022, 05:43:54 PM »
Communism involves a stateless, classless, moneyless society as I have previously explained.
Sounds great. Are you the party leader? What do we do with our bitcoin? Directly to you or do we need a big war first?

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Re: Greetings
« Reply #21 on: January 04, 2022, 05:48:42 PM »
Sounds great. Are you the party leader? What do we do with our bitcoin? Directly to you or do we need a big war first?

I am not a party leader of any sorts, nor even a member. You don't have to be a member of a Communist Party or any political party for that matter to be a Communist, you just have to have the right ideals. Those countries which you erroneously refer to as having been "Communist" were only socialist and thus merely in the transitionary stage between capitalism and communism. The type of Socialism having been Marxism-Leninism and State-Socialism.

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« Reply #22 on: January 04, 2022, 05:52:06 PM »
Sounds great. Are you the party leader? What do we do with our bitcoin? Directly to you or do we need a big war first?

Any form of big war involved in a Socialist revolution is necessary because the rich don't just sit back and permit you to vote away their wealth and strip them of their power.

Re: Greetings
« Reply #23 on: January 05, 2022, 08:50:03 PM »
The way you're describing it, Communism sounds like the ideal society as explained by a lazy 5 year old.
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« Reply #24 on: January 05, 2022, 08:53:13 PM »
The way you're describing it, Communism sounds like the ideal society as explained by a lazy 5 year old.
Well, I am describing Communism accurately, it involves the withering away of state as Marx and Engels word it and it is classified as stateless, classless, and moneyless.

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« Reply #25 on: January 05, 2022, 08:54:12 PM »
The way you're describing it, Communism sounds like the ideal society as explained by a lazy 5 year old.
If I were hypothetically a five year old, I'd be quite the intelligent one.

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« Reply #26 on: January 05, 2022, 09:00:22 PM »
I am in favor of a social democracy, Nordic style. Some semblances of a free market system without the state controlling production or deciding your career, based grade school aptitude tests. Big difference between hard-core communism and democratic socialism however much of the right-wing conservative cohort would disagree.
The concept of a free market is absurd and not truly free as it is largely dominated by a minority of corporations and wealthy.

Re: Greetings
« Reply #27 on: January 07, 2022, 05:38:11 PM »
If you cant change the world, change your world.

I have a little farmyard far from eyes in a relatively sparsely populated area.

It can feed about ten people who collaborately work on daily routine. It takes 3 hours of work per capita.

Just as how I cannot scratcing my back, in the same way I cannot provide myself with my some basic needs and I need others to collaborate.

Think of a key and a lock, and their harmony. Thats what fits for a human.

Perfect communism. No ownership or kinda bond or commitment like marriage, after all, marriage is a commercial agreement, rather than something else it indicates for the society. Forget about the society, we are marginal.

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Re: Greetings
« Reply #28 on: January 08, 2022, 08:36:50 AM »
Human nature is such that it we all believe our contribution to an effort is always just a little more than the next persons. It only takes a few days for one to think another is not properly holding their own. True communism must have a people better at their own psychology than most are, in order to understand that all efforts are somewhat subjective in as much as all people are incapable largely of putting forth the same effort.

A stateless, moneyless, classless society cannot work as long as humans possess a level of ego. But without ego, perhaps we don’t get new ideas, we continue with whatever is working even if it is less productive because to suggest new ideas may be seen as an attempt to improve one’s standing in the community by some. True such communal thinking requires a level of sacrifice of ideas, ego and innovation at the risk of fracturing a delicate balance of people trying to be equal at all levels. Such a community can work for only a short time as those whose ideas may improve the community may be met with resistance, thus the idea maker grows disillusioned at what they consider a wasteful or poorly conceived method of production. Then they leave. One by one.
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