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Sympathy for Anti-Vax/Maskers?

Started by Cassia, December 28, 2021, 01:01:42 PM

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PopeyesPappy

According to the CDC this is what we know about infection and death rates between the vaccinated and unvaccinated.





Clearly you are less likely to get the virus and less likely to die if you get vaccinated. The question is does that justify forcing people to wear masks and get the vaccine? I believe it does.

First is the "you are just as likely to die if you get infected regardless of your vaccination status" chart.



While my last statement isn't strictly true, an unvaccinated person is slightly more likely to die than a vaccinated person if they get an infection, the difference is fairly small. The point here being that an unvaccinated person has a higher chance of getting the virus, meaning they have a higher chance of spreading the virus, meaning they have a higher chance of killing other people. As Sanjay Gupta so aptly put it to Joe Rogan, "The right of your fist ends at the tip of my nose." You don't have a right to put your fellow citizens at risk if there is something you can do to mitigate that risk. After all, we don't allow people to drive drunk because it puts other people at risk. Why should we allow unvaccinated people out in public if they are putting others at increased risk of getting this virus?
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Mermaid

Quote from: Shiranu on December 31, 2021, 01:02:31 AM
Yes, because that's literally what happens; you are in the hospital because you broke you arm, you test positive by the test they give; vola, the number of hospitalized Covid patients just went up.

What is your source of this statement?
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Mike Cl

Vaccines help protect children and adolescents from serious, often fatal illnesses. The table below outlines the vaccines that are recommended by most governments and doctors to keep children and populations safe from outbreaks.



BCG   Tuberculosis--   Tuberculosis (TB) is an infection that most often attacks the lungs, but in infants and young children, affects other organs like the brain. A severe case could cause serious complications or death.
TB is very difficult to treat when contracted, and treatment is lengthy and not always successful.

Hep B--   Hepatitis B virus is a dangerous liver infection that, when caught as an infant, often shows no symptoms for decades. It can develop into cirrhosis and liver cancer later in life.

Polio   Poliovirus--Polio is a virus that paralyzes 1 in 200 people who get infected. Among those cases, 5 to 10 per cent die when their breathing muscles are paralyzed. There is no cure for polio once the paralysis sets in â€" only treatment to alleviate the symptoms.

DTP   --   Diphtheria infects the throat and tonsils, making it hard for children to breathe and swallow. Severe cases can cause heart, kidney and/or nerve damage.

DTP   Tetanus--   Tetanus causes very painful muscle contractions. It can cause children’s neck and jaw muscles to lock (lockjaw), making it hard for them to open their mouth, swallow (breastfeed) or breathe. Even with treatment, tetanus is often fatal.

DTP   --Pertussis (whooping cough) causes coughing spells that can last for weeks. In some cases, it can lead to trouble breathing, pneumonia, and death.

Hib   Haemophilus influenza type b (Hib)--   Hib is a bacterium that causes pneumonia, meningitis and other severe infections almost exclusively in children under 5 years old.

Pneumococcal--   Pneumococcal diseases range from serious diseases such as meningitis and pneumonia to milder but more common infections like sinusitis and ear infections.
Pneumococcal diseases are a common cause of sickness and death worldwide, especially among young children under 2 years old.

Rotavirus--Rotaviruses cause severe diarrhoea and vomiting, which can lead to dehydration, electrolyte imbalance and shock in young children. This can lead to death if treatment, especially fluid replacement, is not immediately started.

MMR   Measles--   Measles is a highly contagious disease with symptoms that include fever, runny nose, white spots in the back of the mouth and a rash. Serious cases can cause blindness, brain swelling and death.

MMR   Mumps--   Mumps can cause headache, malaise, fever, and swollen salivary glands. Complications can include meningitis, swollen testicles and deafness.

MMR   Rubella--   Rubella infection in children and adults is usually mild, but in pregnant women it can cause miscarriage, stillbirth, infant death or birth defects.

HPV   Human papillomavirus (HPV)--HPV usually has no symptoms, but some strains can cause cervical cancer â€" the fourth most common cancer in women. Almost all cases of cervical cancer (99 per cent) are caused by HPV. HPV can also cause genital warts in both men and women, as well as cancer on other parts of the body.


These are some of the vaccines we take and don't think much about.  What makes covid any different?  Politics.  And Trump insured that it would be used as a political weapon and he did that most successfully, in that his base still think it is fake. 
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Blackleaf

Even though Trump recently said that:

1. Vaccines work.

2. All the people dying of Covid right now are unvaccinated.

3. He deserved credit for the vaccines. Because, you know, he created them. All by his lonesome.

Trump's cult heard this, and rather than change their minds accordingly, either turned against him, ignored him, or made excuses for him.
"Oh, wearisome condition of humanity,
Born under one law, to another bound;
Vainly begot, and yet forbidden vanity,
Created sick, commanded to be sound."
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GSOgymrat

Behavior like this is completely unacceptable and I hope he receives legal consequences. This is not really about COVID, it is about politics, race, and misogyny.

https://youtu.be/LoQPspS96ps

Blackleaf

Quote from: Shiranu on December 31, 2021, 01:02:31 AM
Yes, because that's literally what happens; you are in the hospital because you broke you arm, you test positive by the test they give; vola, the number of hospitalized Covid patients just went up.

Yes, but the rates are not dropping; so fucking what if unvaccinated idiots are dying? Yall are literally the niggas saying, "FUCK EM, I DON'T CARE IF THEY DIE" and now yall suddenly do?

GTFO with that shit.

Again, so what? When 99% of the one's that are actually relevant, the one's who are seriously sick or dead, are unvaccinated... in yalls own words, fuck them, let them die.

You don't care if they die, but you do care that you can use their deaths as a means to expand government overreach? That's some dumb shit.

Dude, when did you go off the deep end? Did you spend a few days in Ba Sing Se's dungeons?



"There is no pandemic. Everything is fine. Hospitals are not being overrun. They all just got together and decided to pretend that things are going to shit because reasons."
"Oh, wearisome condition of humanity,
Born under one law, to another bound;
Vainly begot, and yet forbidden vanity,
Created sick, commanded to be sound."
--Fulke Greville--

the_antithesis


GSOgymrat

Quote from: Jason Harvestdancer on December 31, 2021, 09:31:19 AM
Trump has received the shot and told his followers that they should get the shot.  He was booed.  It isn't about Trump no matter how much people want it to be.

Some of Trump's base is moving on without him, as he is seen as too accommodating and a sellout.

the_antithesis

Quote from: GSOgymrat on January 01, 2022, 02:59:51 PM
Some of Trump's base is moving on without him, as he is seen as too accommodating and a sellout.

Serves them right for voting for a game show host.

Blackleaf

Quote from: Jason Harvestdancer on December 31, 2021, 09:31:19 AM
Trump has received the shot and told his followers that they should get the shot.  He was booed.  It isn't about Trump no matter how much people want it to be.

Curious behavior from the guy who called the virus a hoax, then said it was no worse than the flu, discouraged people from wearing masks, and then claimed that he did all he could to fight the virus that he totally always knew was bad. Who knows what the fuck his position will be tomorrow.
"Oh, wearisome condition of humanity,
Born under one law, to another bound;
Vainly begot, and yet forbidden vanity,
Created sick, commanded to be sound."
--Fulke Greville--

Mermaid

Quote from: GSOgymrat on January 01, 2022, 02:59:51 PM
Some of Trump's base is moving on without him, as he is seen as too accommodating and a sellout.
They've mutated.
A cynical habit of thought and speech, a readiness to criticise work which the critic himself never tries to perform, an intellectual aloofness which will not accept contact with life’s realities â€" all these are marks, not as the possessor would fain to think, of superiority but of weakness. -TR

Mike Cl

Trump's base is worse than any virus I've heard about. 
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Hydra009

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Quote from: Shiranu on December 31, 2021, 01:02:31 AM
Yes, because that's literally what happens; you are in the hospital because you broke you arm, you test positive by the test they give; vola, the number of hospitalized Covid patients just went up.
Source: trust me bro

Also, why would someone whose sole injury is a broken arm test positive for covid?  Are you suggesting that the covid test simply returns a (false) positive?

The Shiranu of just a little over a year ago would have been mortified and embarrassed by this sort of talk.

drunkenshoe

QuoteYes, because that's literally what happens; you are in the hospital because you broke you arm, you test positive by the test they give; vola, the number of hospitalized Covid patients just went up.

I think he means that they test everyone, and if positive, you get written as a covid patient getting treated in that hospital. Something on purpose, conspiracy kind. 


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drunkenshoe

How, why? Why would they do something like that? And not in one hospital but in all of them, and not just there but in every country? Or is it simply, America can't be this bad, something must be up thing? It's that bad and not just in that department. Everywhere is much worse than we think. Everything aside, do you really think something like this is possible to pull off?
"science is not about building a body of known 'facts'. ıt is a method for asking awkward questions and subjecting them to a reality-check, thus avoiding the human tendency to believe whatever makes us feel good." - tp