Author Topic: The United States of Nazi America????  (Read 822 times)

Offline drunkenshoe

Re: The United States of Nazi America????
« Reply #30 on: November 14, 2021, 02:05:22 AM »
What do you think fascism is?

Here is a definition. "A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, a capitalist economy subject to stringent governmental controls, violent suppression of the opposition, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism."

That's the open policy of the republican party. Word for word. Openly. Namely. They have planned and prepared a policy to divide people by race, religion, nation, culture in a country, where the fucking domestic intelligence -a white institution often accused of systematic racism no less- kept telling that white supremacy is the number one threat in the country for over a decade.


"I believe you find life such a problem because you think there are good people and bad people. You're wrong, of course. There are, always and only, the bad people, but some of them are on opposite sides." Havelock Vetinari

Offline Shiranu

Re: The United States of Nazi America????
« Reply #31 on: November 14, 2021, 02:17:32 AM »
What do you think fascism is?

Here is a definition. "A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, a capitalist economy subject to stringent governmental controls, violent suppression of the opposition, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism."

That's the open policy of the republican party. Word for word. Openly. Namely. They have planned and prepared a policy to divide people by race, religion, nation, culture in a country, where the fucking domestic intelligence -a white institution often accused of systematic racism no less- kept telling that white supremacy is the number one threat in the country for over a decade.




Yeah, that's the definition I was drawn to; it describes the Democrats to an extent as well, just not as violent and not as nationalist, but with the same end-goals; a dictatorship between two roughly identical parties that both work hand-in-hand to make sure there can be no alternative political options, an extreme capitalist society, and both fight against any substantial socialist ideology. And while not always belligerent, the racism of the Democratic party is not a concealed secret - in states with Dem majorities the policies are just as ruthlessly segregationist (sometimes even more so) as they were in the past; they just now use sneakier economic and gerrymandering tactics to not explicitly be racist.
Terrorism is when you do what we do but wear a different uniform than us.

Re: The United States of Nazi America????
« Reply #32 on: November 14, 2021, 07:54:21 AM »
Yeah, that's the definition I was drawn to; it describes the Democrats to an extent as well, just not as violent and not as nationalist, but with the same end-goals; a dictatorship between two roughly identical parties that both work hand-in-hand to make sure there can be no alternative political options, an extreme capitalist society, and both fight against any substantial socialist ideology. And while not always belligerent, the racism of the Democratic party is not a concealed secret - in states with Dem majorities the policies are just as ruthlessly segregationist (sometimes even more so) as they were in the past; they just now use sneakier economic and gerrymandering tactics to not explicitly be racist.
The real difference between the parties is short vs long term thinking. Republicans want to "conserve" the past. Make America great "AGAIN". Keep America racist, religious, and ignorant. Fuck climate change. We'll be fine. Strip Alaska of every tree. Keep the coal mines going. Pandemic? What pandemic? 750K losers. They have their angel wings. No taxes! Fuck them lazy blacks and Mexicans. Arm up, drink your foreign owned 'merican shit beer. Wear your dirty old red hat while shaking with fear of atheists, brown and black people and roving gangs of homosexuals.

The Republican party has the money and is expertly manipulating the facebook masses and has been setting the agenda for the hapless Democrats for decades now. And if you are young and think conservatives are on your side or a vote of dissention is a good idea, enjoy your shitty dystopian future of reliving the past but now with floods and fires and real foreign economic competition. So how will our soft young fix this? Play video games and vote republican, of course.

Offline drunkenshoe

Re: The United States of Nazi America????
« Reply #33 on: November 14, 2021, 08:41:20 AM »
Yeah, that's the definition I was drawn to; it describes the Democrats to an extent as well, just not as violent and not as nationalist, but with the same end-goals; a dictatorship between two roughly identical parties that both work hand-in-hand to make sure there can be no alternative political options, an extreme capitalist society, and both fight against any substantial socialist ideology. And while not always belligerent, the racism of the Democratic party is not a concealed secret - in states with Dem majorities the policies are just as ruthlessly segregationist (sometimes even more so) as they were in the past; they just now use sneakier economic and gerrymandering tactics to not explicitly be racist.

In my opinion, that's a very wrong way to look at this. We've been through that. That's how everything collapsed here. There is no bottom of this. It's like reading the last of the 90s-first few years of 2000s where I live. I can't believe the change that way down to today. Remember what you have said before? Paraphrasing: "Except a few basic things, they are actually the same". Those few things turns the world upside down. You learn that life is actually very simple in a very difficult way.
"I believe you find life such a problem because you think there are good people and bad people. You're wrong, of course. There are, always and only, the bad people, but some of them are on opposite sides." Havelock Vetinari

Offline Hydra009

Re: The United States of Nazi America????
« Reply #34 on: November 14, 2021, 11:04:30 AM »
The GOP has been less active in saying "The Fascists are coming!  The Fascists are coming!"
Nah, that's usually how they announce themselves.

They also try to project it, as I'm sure you're well aware.

Re: The United States of Nazi America????
« Reply #35 on: November 14, 2021, 03:02:17 PM »
The GOP doesn't shout, "The Fascists are coming!  The Fascists are coming!"

They shout, "The Communists are coming! Or the Socialists! Or both! I don't know what either thing means, but those words scare me!"

Totally different.
"Oh, wearisome condition of humanity,
Born under one law, to another bound;
Vainly begot, and yet forbidden vanity,
Created sick, commanded to be sound."
--Fulke Greville

Offline Shiranu

Re: The United States of Nazi America????
« Reply #36 on: November 14, 2021, 04:38:42 PM »
In my opinion, that's a very wrong way to look at this. We've been through that. That's how everything collapsed here. There is no bottom of this. It's like reading the last of the 90s-first few years of 2000s where I live. I can't believe the change that way down to today. Remember what you have said before? Paraphrasing: "Except a few basic things, they are actually the same". Those few things turns the world upside down. You learn that life is actually very simple in a very difficult way.

From what I can find of Turkish parties, it would be as if you only had two parties; Erdogan's AKP and Bahçeli's Nationalist Movement Party. One is objectively abhorrently worse, but that doesn't mean the other is desirable.

We don't have a CHP or HDP party, both of which would be considered far-left here in America; both of our parties work towards the same end-goal, just with different ideologies of how to get there... one wants to drive slowly down the road of late-stage capitalism, the other wants to gun it 150 mph.

Obviously if I have a choice I'm going to take the guy who is driving slower, but either way I end up in a destination I don't want to end up in, and really we have no actual say in politics; the winners are chosen by the oligarchy, not by the people. Democracy died decades ago, and even then American democracy was always a bit of a joke in that you got to choose between the two people who were chosen for you.


The differences between the two parties are small, and in practice the Democrats give all those horrible things we hate about Republicans to them on a silver platter; Police brutality? Dems increase funding. Imperialism? Dems increase funding. Social services? Racism? Some of the most segregated areas in the country are in Dem states. Women's rights? Dems have had 40 years to Congressionally protect those when they had the majority and failed to do so.


"Those few things turns the world upside down." - I agree, and that's why I cant support Dems; any time they have the chance to make the right choice on those few things, or stop them from happening, they let the GOP do them anyways. Talk is cheap, and that's all the Dems have.
Terrorism is when you do what we do but wear a different uniform than us.

Offline drunkenshoe

Re: The United States of Nazi America????
« Reply #37 on: November 16, 2021, 12:22:43 AM »
OK. First I wrote a long post, but I think there are few differences in both situations. I'm still thinking about it.

E: we completely agree on the system. Actually, I think it's never worked. What happened, which looked as if it worked was the change in the saddle period. It's just better, that's all. Nothing different than monarchy. Same category.
« Last Edit: November 16, 2021, 12:26:18 AM by drunkenshoe »
"I believe you find life such a problem because you think there are good people and bad people. You're wrong, of course. There are, always and only, the bad people, but some of them are on opposite sides." Havelock Vetinari

Offline Shiranu

Re: The United States of Nazi America????
« Reply #38 on: November 16, 2021, 12:54:17 AM »
OK. First I wrote a long post, but I think there are few differences in both situations. I'm still thinking about it.

E: we completely agree on the system. Actually, I think it's never worked. What happened, which looked as if it worked was the change in the saddle period. It's just better, that's all. Nothing different than monarchy. Same category.

I will say, the Dem/GOP is definitely not a like-for-like comparison... I just couldn't find a moderate enough comparison for the DNC that wouldn't be too inaccurate.

Completely agreed on the edit.
Terrorism is when you do what we do but wear a different uniform than us.

Re: The United States of Nazi America????
« Reply #39 on: November 16, 2021, 08:45:35 PM »