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Levels of Consciousness
« on: April 03, 2021, 11:15:36 AM »
Hey all,

My Dad is a very clever engineer, rational thinker. I grew up on discovery channel. I always thought religion was pretty silly. People just following doctrines and stuff. My "religion" was observable science.

Though I did like to read about philosophy. And just explore different ways of being. I began to read Jiddu Krishnamurti, who I thought was very thoughtful, very observant, and ... not brainwashed. I had a lot of respect for him. He thinks for himself. I just found myself listening to him quite a bit though not really understanding what he was saying.

When I was 17 I took three hits of LSD. There was a moment in that experience where I felt like a veil fall away. Everything Krishnamurti was saying suddenly made sense. Perfect clarity. It's difficult to describe, but it's kind of like if you're in the shower, and you're holding a bar of soap, and you squeeze it, and it just slips out of your hand.

But it was like my ENTIRE identity slipped out of my mental grasp.

In that moment, I started laughing hysterically, because I saw something so profound. Something that was completely beyond words and beyond description.

I just remember repeating to myself, over and over again, "God is Love! God is Love! It's INSIDE-OUT!". There was something about a cosmic joke. Like life is a giant cosmic joke. A big practical joke God plays on himself to forget himself - sorta thing. God being the sort of universal intelligence of all of life, not a guy in the sky.

Then there was something about the seeming veil between me (you could say my consciousness) and the world outside me dissolving. And I saw that everything in the universe was happening together. In that moment, all of creation was unified - or something. It was like, there was ONE mind dreaming the world. I saw it clearer than I can see my hands in front of me right now.

But when the LSD faded away, I was left with only an echo. I was left with the words. And I had no idea what they meant. There was no life in them. It's like when a dream fades away and you're desperately trying to remember but the more you think of it the more it slips away. It was like I opened pandora's box and found the secrets to all the universe, and then it shut. And I couldn't figure out how to get it open.

That was 10 years ago. Even though that experience changed my life, I never really understood it.

...until last year...

For the intrepid explorers:

I didn't realize this, but for pretty much my entire life, I had always believed that to know something, you needed to be able to think it through. I didn't understand there was a way to know without thought.

You can call this type of knowing seeing. Seeing bypasses the intellect completely. It has nothing to do with the activity of thought. It's almost like there's a part of you that transcends the intellect that knows things intuitively. But when the activity of thought is chaotic, that knowing recedes into the background.

But what you can see is determined not by your beliefs, thoughts, and ideas, but by your level of consciousness. As your level of consciousness rises, you are able to see more.

You see I had been trying to understand what happened to me intellectually. Playing with all sorts of different ideas, philosophies, but I was always playing with ideas at the same level of consciousness - for years. And because I was always playing with ideas within the same level of consciousness, I couldn't actually see anything new. I was just repeating the old, or slight variations of the old.

My life changed massively (for the better!) when my level of consciousness went up. I was able to be more compassionate, think clearer, and feel so much more peace. And see aspects to this mind-boggling experience we call human consciousness I never would have believed I had access to. Kind of like plugging into the internet after being offline for a few decades.

When I talk about level of consciousness, I'm not talking about like ascending to the clouds with Jesus. It's a very ordinary thing. I just wasn't aware of it. So I hope to help you become more aware of it. It's an ordinary thing, but if it unlocks an extraordinary ability we all have built into us.

Think of it like this... when you're angry, you can feel a sense of constriction. It washes over you. When you're relaxed and at peace, it's like that sense relaxes. This is ordinary.

Imagine when you're arguing with someone. You feel tight and constricted. You're caught up in storm of angry, judgmental, defensive thoughts. In that experience, it makes sense for you to defend yourself.

If you step away for a bit and allow the mind to settle, your level of consciousness expands, and things just occur to you. You begin to see them in a different light. Your thinking hasn't changed, your level of consciousness did. Because your level of consciousness changed, you were able to see more.

This may sound stupidly simple. But if you see that your level of consciousness affects how you see life moment-by-moment, you can actually intentionally allow consciousness to expand (as it does naturally) and see more, and more, and more.

This is what I call an insight. An insight is literally a sight from within. It hits you as an obvious "how did I not see that before?" and the answer to that is always: because I wasn't at the level of consciousness I am right now.

Each of us has within us the capacity, within our own consciousness, to see the secrets of life. Not to speculate, to see.

I want to share the insights that have happened to me from allowing my consciousness to expand. I was able to see again, after 10 years, sober, what "God is Love" and "It's inside-out!" mean.

But be aware, this is merely an echo. The ideas I write here are just echoes of what you can see from the level of consciousness where this is all so obvious. Let me be clear on this: the intellect will never understand the following statements. But you can still see the facts they point to when the mind is clear. And so in a sense writing this is completely pointless. Because if we can understand it, it means we're already at the level of consciousness where it's obvious. But I'm doing it anyway.

1. It's inside out

It's inside-out refers to the fact that our experience is coming from within us, not "at" us from the outside. Each of us is experiencing life within our own consciousness. And it's through the formless energy of thought that we experience world around us. In that sense, we are all living inside of our own thought-created reality. Thought is not a camera. It does not capture facts out of the world and process them on consciousness. It doesn't perceive. Thought projects.

Listen to this statement and see if you can see the truth of it. And if you don't see it, throw it out the window and never think of it again.

You are not living the feeling of circumstances. You are not living in the feeling of the world. You are living in the feeling of the thought that happens to be passing by consciousness. Thought is your creative freedom. The freedom to see creation in whatever light you choose. And experience it as if it was outside you.

Our eyes aren't windows into the world, they merely take thought and project it outward. What appears to be outside us, what we see, hear, and believe about the world is but our own thoughts projected outwardly.

Nothing can scare you except thought.
Nothing can upset your innate peace of mind except a thought.

When thought settles, you return to your natural state of peace of mind, and you enter into a beautiful flow with life.

2. God is Love

This is the highest insight I've ever had, and I still have trouble putting this into words. In this instant, and forever, there is unfathomable beauty and love that can be found. And that love is so strong that it draws you to it. This seems utterly nonsensical at lower levels of consciousness. It seems like a pipedream. But it's not. It's a real thing you can experience it. You don't have to pray, you don't have to learn a religion. In the silence of your own mind, your consciousness expands, and you will see it. All the love we seek outwardly is actually the love that's hidden within our own consciousness.

Re: Levels of Consciousness
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2021, 11:42:29 AM »
Hello, troll!  As usual all you offer is a load of bullshit.  You must be a trumpie for all you say is a lie.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?

Re: Levels of Consciousness
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2021, 01:13:34 PM »
Hello, troll!  As usual all you offer is a load of bullshit.  You must be a trumpie for all you say is a lie.

No troll here.

Let me ask you Mike, with all respect. Human to human. Do you feel happy? Do you feel fulfilled?

Because if you don't, the only reason is that you're listening to your own thoughts. That's what takes away your happiness. Without the contamination of thought in your mind, all that remains is happiness.

Re: Levels of Consciousness
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2021, 01:51:36 PM »
As a common courtesy when posting on forums, one reads the rules.  I know that rules do not apply to trumpies or theists (I think you are both), but they should.  So, intro yourself if you really want to discuss something.  Do that, and I'll engage in some disscussions.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?

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Re: Levels of Consciousness
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2021, 03:29:22 PM »
Black lives matter, feminism is good, religion is bullshit, and if you disagree with me on any of these points you are a fucking moron.

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Re: Levels of Consciousness
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2021, 08:29:02 PM »
I understand what you are talking about and I've never used drugs. Several of the things you mention, such as the subjective nature of consciousness, I explore in meditation. Altered states of consciousness, especially chemically induced, can produce feelings of euphoria, depersonalization, and a sensation that what is being experienced in that conscious state is more authentic than in an unaltered state. Psilocybin and other hallucinogens are being studied to treat anxiety, PTSD, addiction, and other mental health issues. I believe if these experiences bring you peace and cause you to behave better to people around you then they have value.

However, these experiences are not an accurate source of knowledge. People don't come out of these experiences knowing new facts that apply to the physical universe. Altered states of consciousness provide a less accurate experience of the world, not more. For example, people can have bad trips that are horrifying. The feeling of absolute certainty that people are trying to kill you is no more real than the feeling of touching the face of God.
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Re: Levels of Consciousness
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2021, 09:10:14 PM »
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God is Love. This is the highest insight I've ever had

Try harder. If ever there were two words with 10 billion different and meaningless definitions you found them for your "highest insight". Here is a nice Deepak Chopra site where you may actually seem insightful.
https://www.deepakchopra.com/event/hope-global-forum/

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Re: Levels of Consciousness
« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2021, 09:36:39 PM »
I found god after....drugs/alcohol/depression/death/near death/sniffing glue....ho-hum.....more little minds being slightly bent.
A humans desire to live is exceeded only by their willingness to die for another. Even god cannot equal this magnificent sacrifice. No god has the right to judge them.-first tenant of the Panotheust

Re: Levels of Consciousness
« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2021, 10:34:28 PM »
God is love!  That is true!!--when one turns 'god' into 'dog'--then it is TRUE!!!
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?

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Re: Levels of Consciousness
« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2021, 07:45:59 AM »
“God is love”
But I’m gonna give your child spinal bifada to prove my love, but please pray to me to heal him. I’m going to allow thousands of you murder each other over a discussion of my characters, but please pray to me for deliverance from their evil. I’m going to let little boys and girls be raped sodomized and butchered while you argue over my nature, but please pray to me to stop it.  LOL aren’t I a loving and caring god?

By the way, don’t look now but I also gave you tiny little creatures so small that you can’t see them and they will kill millions of you whether you pray or not. LOL, nothing says love like completely fucking up your lives.
A humans desire to live is exceeded only by their willingness to die for another. Even god cannot equal this magnificent sacrifice. No god has the right to judge them.-first tenant of the Panotheust

Re: Levels of Consciousness
« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2021, 10:31:24 AM »
I understand what you are talking about and I've never used drugs. Several of the things you mention, such as the subjective nature of consciousness, I explore in meditation. Altered states of consciousness, especially chemically induced, can produce feelings of euphoria, depersonalization, and a sensation that what is being experienced in that conscious state is more authentic than in an unaltered state. Psilocybin and other hallucinogens are being studied to treat anxiety, PTSD, addiction, and other mental health issues. I believe if these experiences bring you peace and cause you to behave better to people around you then they have value.

However, these experiences are not an accurate source of knowledge. People don't come out of these experiences knowing new facts that apply to the physical universe. Altered states of consciousness provide a less accurate experience of the world, not more. For example, people can have bad trips that are horrifying. The feeling of absolute certainty that people are trying to kill you is no more real than the feeling of touching the face of God.

What you're saying is true.

But what we think is true changes depending on our level of consciousness.

Every time we dream at night we think our dreams are true. Until we wake up.

Every dream has a seemingly physical observable form to justify its reality. It has its own laws and its own facts.

But despite appearances, every dream is actually made up.

While we're at the level of consciousness where we can't see that we are dreaming, we think that the characters and the story in the dream are facts of reality. We take for granted that we are observing facts rather than just observing formless thought dancing in consciousness.

When the level of consciousness rises, we are able to wake up out of the dream of form and see the formlessness of the dream.

When we wake up out of bed, we are still DREAMING with thought. If you want to understand the secret to life, you have to SEE that Thought is not a byproduct of the brain, but the spiritual energy, the principle, through which life is able to experience itself.

Experience is made out of CONSCIOUSNESS, THOUGHT, and MIND. MIND being the universal intelligence of all creation. THOUGHT is what determines the experience, and CONSCIOUSNESS is what allows us to awake to creation.

We are not living in a world of facts, we are living in a world of THOUGHT. You already know this. You true nature, your BEING, is COMPLETELY beyond this world. Deep in you you already know this. You are a spiritual being having a human experience. CONSCIOUSNESS is BEFORE form. CONSCIOUSNESS is the empty canvas through which MIND paints using THOUGHT and creates EXPERIENCE.

Don't try to make sense of this. Nothing I said above can intellectualized. Nothing can be made into concepts. It's pointless to debate. SEEING obliterates all concepts. SEEING requires no belief. SEEING is a natural ability you have within you. MIND - the universal spirit of life - is already working within you. MIND is already bringing you to higher levels.

Let go of old patterns of thought and MIND will automatically bring you to higher levels of consciousness where you will be able to understand the secret to life. It's already within you, it's just OBSCURED by the contamination of thought patterns brought on through living a human experience, but it is revealed when you allow those patterns to fall away.

The only thing you need to know is that THOUGHT is what will take you to new levels of SEEING. THOUGHT is the key by which your level of consciousness is able to rise into previously unknown levels and experience life so beautiful that you had no idea even existed, let alone has been accessible WITHIN you for eternity.
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Re: Levels of Consciousness
« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2021, 10:59:29 AM »
When you write words in all uppercase they do seem so much more IMPORTANT. I prefer purple myself because it is so easy to SEE.

Re: Levels of Consciousness
« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2021, 11:48:03 AM »
What you're saying is true.

But what we think is true changes depending on our level of consciousness.

Every time we dream at night we think our dreams are true. Until we wake up.


All of your posts are fictional wishful thinking.  You have not even a whiff of empirical data to support your whimsy.  What I think IS true (for me) and changes not by my level of consciousness, but by empirical data.  And no, not every dream do I think is real nor true.  I have woken myself out of a dream by telling myself that this is a dream; and a dream I so dislike that I need to wakeup.  And I do.  What is evident to me is that you seem so dissatisfied with you real, actual life that you need to create another life; one based on wishful thinking and whimsy.  If that gets you through the night, then go for it.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?

Re: Levels of Consciousness
« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2021, 11:57:37 AM »
All of your posts are fictional wishful thinking.  You have not even a whiff of empirical data to support your whimsy.  What I think IS true (for me) and changes not by my level of consciousness, but by empirical data.  And no, not every dream do I think is real nor true.  I have woken myself out of a dream by telling myself that this is a dream; and a dream I so dislike that I need to wakeup.  And I do.  What is evident to me is that you seem so dissatisfied with you real, actual life that you need to create another life; one based on wishful thinking and whimsy.  If that gets you through the night, then go for it.

Arguing will get you nowhere in life. Debating will never bring to closer to any kind of meaningful truth.

It will only bring you feelings of disconnection, discomfort, and dis-ease. It will only create separation between people. Nobody has ever gained from a debate. Nobody's minds have ever been changed.

Why?

Because neither party understands that they are living in a world of THOUGHT.

Each party believes the other party isn't seeing WHAT IS. That they are not looking at the evidence. But each party is seeing WHAT IS via their own THOUGHT.

We can't see our own thought patterns because they look like reality.

Only when we understand that we are each living in a separate reality, a personal reality, made of THOUGHT can we wake up out of the illusion, and have true compassion for others who are caught up in the misunderstanding.

Only SEEING. And SEEING cannot happen while your mind is continuing to give energy to old stale thought patterns.

Reality is NEVER the problem, THOUGHT is the only problem. Reality is nothing except energy. Everything beyond that is THOUGHT.

Re: Levels of Consciousness
« Reply #14 on: April 04, 2021, 01:19:44 PM »
Arguing will get you nowhere in life. Debating will never bring to closer to any kind of meaningful truth.

Just pronouncements and not a whiff of any data to support your whimsy.  And you do like to use falsehoods as they are facts.  The fact is, you have nothing to demonstrate what you are claiming except your own fictions and whimsy.  You want what you say to be true, so you think it is.  Debating/arguing/discussions are a major way I gain knowledge and is a great way to figure out if what I think are facts really are facts--run my ideas through others and see if they can punch holes in my 'facts'. 
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?