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Offline drunkenshoe

Re: Another brexit thread
« Reply #15 on: November 03, 2020, 11:02:55 AM »
The Germans and French broke the deficit rules years ago.  Some nations are more equal than others.  History isn't your thing, which is OK.  It is very depressing!  If the Germans falter, Emperor of the French, Macron, will step in, if his school teacher lets him ;-)

Pffft. You can break the rules as long as you are in the club.
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Offline Baruch

Re: Another brexit thread
« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2020, 11:09:16 AM »
Pffft. You can break the rules as long as you are in the club.

GB wasn't in the club, though they thought they were promised this.  Germany and France treated them like Slovenia.  The British Bull Dog has a bite, even if it is more Cromwell than Marx.  Without the finances of "The City" the EU is bankrupt (cash flow).  The EU never took Brexit seriously, and allowed Deutche Bank to be run like Pirate Cove.  Their only salvation is to steal the italian gold (to add it to the German gold that was stolen from their neighbors earlier) and do a Grexit.  I hear Merkel printed the deutche marks in advance.  Italy of course is aware of this, and past betrayals of Italy by Germany.

'The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.' - Thatcher.  Germany could try MMT (Modern Monetary Theory) but they tried that already under Weimar ;-(  Or the communists did in Hungary or Mr Mugabe did in Zimbabwe.  Varoufakis on the other hand, is an honest Marxist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperinflation_in_the_Weimar_Republic#/media/File:50_Billionen_Mark_Stolberg_Eschweiler_001.jpg

The US has the FDR method, we can declare the official price of gold to not be $42.22 per ounce.  We could rescale it to near the current commercial price of $2000.00 per ounce.  Though that would cause massive dislocations, though that might be better than hyperinflation of the dollar.
« Last Edit: November 03, 2020, 11:19:41 AM by Baruch »
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Offline drunkenshoe

Re: Another brexit thread
« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2020, 11:19:07 AM »
GB wasn't in the club, though they thought they were promised this.  Germany and France treated them like Slovenia.  The British Bull Dog has a bite, even if it is more Cromwell than Marx.

Well, they didn't expect Euro so of course it was different. But they have entered because of the trade and business so yes they were in. That's the whole point. Schools, universities, travel...etc.

Also did you know that the white British was the biggest group in whole Europe who got the most EU welfare? This was a big issue during Brexit brought up by the Nayers because Cameron kept lying about the British welfare minorities got.

Also they could live everywhere in EU they liked. Brits are like a bit of Chinese people in that sense, you can find them everywhere. I like that.
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Offline Baruch

Re: Another brexit thread
« Reply #18 on: November 03, 2020, 11:22:06 AM »
Well, they didn't expect Euro so of course it was different. But they have entered because of the trade and business so yes they were in. That's the whole point. Schools, universities, travel...etc.

Also did you know that the white British was the biggest group in whole Europe who got the most EU welfare. This was a big issue udring Brexit brought up by the Nayers because Cameron kept lying about the British welfare minorities got.

Also they could live everywhere in EU they liked. Brits are like a bit of Chinese people in that sense, you can find them everywhere. I like that.

Yes, there were advantages to Brits well off enough to have a winter home in France or a vacation home in Spain.  But the Red Wall in N England didn't benefit as much.  Most US welfare over the last 50 years went to women in general, not to Black men.  Results aren't evenly distributed, particularly if, as they are, deliberately designed that way.  Germany economically has benefited most from the EU and Euro, Vichy France getting German crumbs, as the US for the first 30 years, benefited most from Bretton-Woods and the Marshall Plan.  There is a very subtle difference between differential fair trade and parasitic neo-colonialism.  Militarily Europe and GB are still military colonies of the US.
« Last Edit: November 03, 2020, 11:24:47 AM by Baruch »
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Offline drunkenshoe

Re: Another brexit thread
« Reply #19 on: November 03, 2020, 12:25:19 PM »
What? You understand how trade goes around in the EU, right? How it is all connected? From food to flowers to tick tacky junk, medicine to everything people need? Again, that is the whole point of founding the EU. EU trade works pretty much like a mechanical clock. Even the timing of transportation of needed goods hour to hour in trade was set according to this net. 

UK is not Switzerland. It's an island with a population of 66 million. Just the trade with Ireland is gonna suck for them as hell. Because now, there will be a real border between them. Ireland is EU. They will have to pay for every deal. And the EU won't let them go around as they like, as it looks like happening with the fishers.

Ireland is getting impatient. It's very weird. Apparently they don't even communicate with them, or inform them ahead what is going to happen with the deals and all. And they claim there is deliberate chaos created by the British government. In short, do they really look like they know what they are doing up there to you?

I'm curious of your meaningless bias against Germany. It can't be the obvious, can it? Do you have any idea how strong and stable Mark was when Germany accepted Euro? It was the European Dollar. Peopole here didn't buy Dollars, they bought Mark. From France to Nederland, the major economies were lockled in on it, anyway. And this is an economy that restarted from scratch after 1945. Not to mention the world of compensation they have paid for decades and then some.

You are talking as if they have been lying around doing nothing and keep collecting tributes, getting huge loans -Greece comes to mind, but not comparable of course- and keep wasting it on corruption, screwing their own people and EU or something. Sorry to bust your bubble but these people know how to work an economy, if you haven't noticed. It's not like you can benefit from Euro without knowing how to work that and produce like hell. What else is there? They have obviously learned some heavy lessons about pouring down money into wars too. So yeah it is a success. Especially considering doing all that while herding more than a few million Middle Easterners.

I haven't grown up with German culture, I actually know little about it compared to the ones I have grown up which is British -American as in popular cultural and the country has too old natural connections with French and Italian. I live in Levant, remember? The thing is, I think similar things for Japan too. They have both become very successful. This is about success after losing WWII. But I don't get why some people make it a big deal when it is about Germany.
« Last Edit: November 03, 2020, 12:30:30 PM by drunkenshoe »
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Offline Baruch

Re: Another brexit thread
« Reply #20 on: November 03, 2020, 12:42:53 PM »
Free trade?  Under Stazi regulations ... that is free indeed ;-)  Not knocking the EU, but y'all are the ones that want to exterminate England, as part of the 1000 year traditional hate fest (one of many) that characterizes Europeans.  If Germany will exterminate the English, what will they do with the Turks?
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Offline drunkenshoe

Re: Another brexit thread
« Reply #21 on: November 03, 2020, 01:16:58 PM »
Nothing is free. Nobody is getting exterminated. We all are subjected to the shit dictating the geography we live in, real or not.



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Offline Baruch

Re: Another brexit thread
« Reply #22 on: November 03, 2020, 04:08:27 PM »
Nothing is free. Nobody is getting exterminated. We all are subjected to the shit dictating the geography we live in, real or not.

drunkenshoe - nobody is getting exterminated
Hitler - hold my Munich beer

Hitler isn't just a single person it is a personality type found all over the world and all thru history
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Re: Another brexit thread
« Reply #23 on: November 16, 2020, 03:47:01 PM »
Cummings has left the building, btw.
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Offline Baruch

Re: Another brexit thread
« Reply #24 on: November 16, 2020, 06:57:22 PM »
Cummings has left the building, btw.

Yes ... all Brits will be absorbed into the Merkel "thing" shortly ;-)  They will all have face transplants so they all look like Corbyn, the women too ;-))
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Offline drunkenshoe

Re: Another brexit thread
« Reply #25 on: November 24, 2020, 05:26:42 AM »
Does anyone get what's going on?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-news-live-boris-johnson-trade-deal-b1760805.html

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The House of Lords has voted to force Boris Johnson’s government to seek the consent of the devolved administrations before ministers can exercise powers contained in No 10’s controversial Internal Market Bill.

It comes as Bank of England governor Andrew Bailey has said that a no-deal Brexit would cause even more long-term damage to the UK’s economy than the coronavirus pandemic. The influential figure told MPs a deal was in the “best interests of both sides”.

It follows an optimistic assessment of trade talks by Irish premier Micheál Martin, who revealed legal texts were now in play on all areas of the prospective trade deal. “I would be hopeful that by the end of this week we could see the outline of a deal,” said Mr Martin. ...
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Offline SGOS

Re: Another brexit thread
« Reply #26 on: November 24, 2020, 08:01:40 AM »
I thought Boris Johnson was elected on a platform that the GB would be out of the EU with or without a deal, but it seems like it can't happen without a deal, but no deal so far proposed is acceptable.  And no deal at all isn't acceptable either.  I suspect Brits can't agree on what they want and what they are willing to give up.  Independence is not easy.  America had the same problem 250 years ago.  Some Americans wanted independence.  Others did not.  Those who wanted it forced it on the others.  I'm still not sure how well that worked out for us.

If you would like, America would be happy to go over there and colonize the British isles.  You could become a state, and you could all own guns and buy your own health insurance, and the Royal Family would be given meaningful jobs.  It would be like America taking care of it's parents in their old age.  Or if you prefer, Canada might be willing to take you on.  Frankly, I think Canada would be a better choice.  Sometimes I wish they would make us a Province, and I could move to Coastal British Columbia and have a log cabin.  I already own a Hudson's Bay Blanket.

Offline Baruch

Re: Another brexit thread
« Reply #27 on: November 24, 2020, 12:05:41 PM »
There was always a possibility of a deal.  In most countries trade deals are done behind closed doors, without transparency.  Don't know the content of course, because it is not transparent.  Hence the Brexiteers paranoia that BoJo is just another Cambridge Five (communist agent) only from Oxford, like PM Cameron and PM May.  The colleges worldwide are THE hive of Menshevism.

Of course BoJo may give a transition period on fishing rights (Netherlands and France depend on it).  Exactly what the legal arrangements are to be, since GB will be out of Schengen, but still want millions of anti-British Muslims as local slave labor ... have to be worked out.  Like in the US (we can't survive without labor and drugs from Mexico).  I still read a little British news every day, even in this transition period, for entertainment.  Their criminal political class are so much more entertaining than the American brand.
« Last Edit: November 24, 2020, 12:08:36 PM by Baruch »
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