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Offline Baruch

Re: Books to read suggestions? oO
« Reply #45 on: September 20, 2020, 10:11:27 AM »
While these sorts of logical arguments support my disbelief in the various religious god claims they do not result in my complete knowledge that "a god" does not or can not exist.

Mathematicians have the same problem with existence proofs vs constructive proofs.  In an existence proof, if you prove something possible or impossible, you are done.  In a constructive proof, one - you are proving something possible, two - you are demonstrating an example.  I exist, and am a demi-god, so that meets the requirement of number two.
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Offline Baruch

Re: Books to read suggestions? oO
« Reply #46 on: September 20, 2020, 10:13:11 AM »
True, I think there's only exactly one thing any of us can really know: the fact of our own awareness.

All else is subject to uncertainty.

Except when you are asleep or delusional.  Consciousness is over-rated.
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Re: Books to read suggestions? oO
« Reply #47 on: September 20, 2020, 02:17:53 PM »
Maybe, but I wouldn't enjoy doing without it.
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Offline Baruch

Re: Books to read suggestions? oO
« Reply #48 on: September 20, 2020, 03:37:26 PM »
Maybe, but I wouldn't enjoy doing without it.

How come you know you aren't a brain in a jar?
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ ła’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
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Don't do that.

Re: Books to read suggestions? oO
« Reply #49 on: September 20, 2020, 09:04:24 PM »
There are no jars large enough to contain me...
.;-)
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Re: Books to read suggestions? oO
« Reply #50 on: September 21, 2020, 07:32:43 AM »
There are no jars large enough to contain me...
.;-)
That's what Abby something thought.
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

Offline trdsf

Re: Books to read suggestions? oO
« Reply #51 on: September 21, 2020, 12:07:56 PM »
No, that argument defines God into existence by assuming a perfect being exists, because it could not be perfect without existing.
Tell that to physicists and chemists making mathematical use of the perfect gas law.  I've never got an answer to that one...
"My faith in the Constitution is whole, it is complete, it is total, and I am not going to sit here and be an idle spectator to the diminution, the subversion, the destruction of the Constitution." -- Barbara Jordan

Re: Books to read suggestions? oO
« Reply #52 on: September 21, 2020, 12:39:08 PM »
Tell that to physicists and chemists making mathematical use of the perfect gas law.  I've never got an answer to that one...
You included your answer in your link. "Ideal gas".
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

Offline Baruch

Re: Books to read suggestions? oO
« Reply #53 on: September 21, 2020, 04:08:38 PM »
Tell that to physicists and chemists making mathematical use of the perfect gas law.  I've never got an answer to that one...

An approximation.  As is Ohm's Law in electricity work.  The fact of condensation and freezing, are exactly when the ideal gas law stops working.

I bet you have fits over the Maxwell's Demon argument.
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Táadoo ánít’iní.
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Offline trdsf

Re: Books to read suggestions? oO
« Reply #54 on: September 21, 2020, 04:24:08 PM »
You included your answer in your link. "Ideal gas".
I meant I've never gotten an answer as to why 'perfect' means 'must exist'.
"My faith in the Constitution is whole, it is complete, it is total, and I am not going to sit here and be an idle spectator to the diminution, the subversion, the destruction of the Constitution." -- Barbara Jordan

Offline Baruch

Re: Books to read suggestions? oO
« Reply #55 on: September 21, 2020, 04:57:53 PM »
I meant I've never gotten an answer as to why 'perfect' means 'must exist'.

Never saw anything in nature I could call perfect either.  And nature exists.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ ła’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
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Don't do that.

Re: Books to read suggestions? oO
« Reply #56 on: September 21, 2020, 05:05:20 PM »
I appreciate the book suggestions yall.  The thread kind of took a different route...lol
“Religion has had the disastrous effect of placing vitally important concepts, such as morality, happiness and love, in a supernatural realm inaccessible to man’s mind and knowledge.”
― George H. Smith, Atheism: The Case Against God

Offline Baruch

Re: Books to read suggestions? oO
« Reply #57 on: September 21, 2020, 05:15:44 PM »
I appreciate the book suggestions yall.  The thread kind of took a different route...lol

Get back to us, which books you enjoy.  We haven't all read all of them.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ ła’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
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Don't do that.

Offline SGOS

Re: Books to read suggestions? oO
« Reply #58 on: September 21, 2020, 07:10:12 PM »
I meant I've never gotten an answer as to why 'perfect' means 'must exist'.
It's just an arbitrary quality by assumption only.  It lures the sheep in.  Just hearing the word "perfect" puts them in a Jesus trance, and they say, "Yeah, that's right.  God is perfect, so he must exist.  There's not enough there to even make a fake syllogism.  Just a series of mental lapses, and a conclusion.

Re: Books to read suggestions? oO
« Reply #59 on: September 21, 2020, 08:38:32 PM »
An approximation.  As is Ohm's Law in electricity work.  The fact of condensation and freezing, are exactly when the ideal gas law stops working.

I bet you have fits over the Maxwell's Demon argument.
Maxwell's demon is not an argument, it's a thought experiment.
God Not Found
"There is a sucker born-again every minute." - C. Spellman