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Isnt Judaism same as Aryanism (Nazism)
« on: August 18, 2020, 03:24:19 PM »
I dont mean to sound like a jerk.

I dont hate jews. Example of role models who happens to be jewish (Matt Stone, Barry Goldwater) Basically two on my top list who are great.
But if we are being honest.. Judaism and Aryanism..(nazism) ideologically speaking.. are pretty much the same. Only reason Jews never did mass genocide, is because they failed at it. Germans simply succeeded.

And interms of world history they do tend to hog on holocaust while other tragedy has happend.

But religious freedom is important. And people shouldnt be hated for who they are.. But the fact that nobody draws those parallells is weird?. If someone even has Read the Old Testament on the supremacy of that race, selected by God's People, and the destruction of others.

Just saying, its pretty similar to Aryanism.

They share same common goal. Except Jews cant do it. Individuals may not be bad. But culturally speaking.... there is lots of stuff i could say about it.
To make it easy. Made a new religious cult. God of Obvious Good and Evil. Idea is to promote obvious good and not obvious evil.

And protestantism as a culture has helped science more than devotion cultures like Catholicism and sunni islam did, because they have work to do, inorder to spend your life on earth to get to heaven. Protestantism is just "belief in Jesus "thats it, allows you to breath and do other works. Culturally it has helped more in European history. So its either degeneracy culture which is bad, or devotion culture which makes people backward.

In the end. What is your view on it?

Offline Baruch

Re: Isnt Judaism same as Aryanism (Nazism)
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2020, 04:04:58 PM »
Actually your post doesn't make you a jerk.  It makes you a supporter of free speech.

The question of various forms of White supremacy over the last 150 years, and Jewish supremacy over the same time period is very complicated.  But I will give you a short neutral answer ...

To what extent are people defined by ethnos (ancestry) or ethos (culture)?  Some people have very tribal responses to this, probably most people today do, and for almost all of history, that was the case.  To what extent does an Aryan represent an ethnos or ethos?  Same thing for a Jewish person.  Are they self identified, are they raised that way, does their biological ancestry matter?

If you are referring to the German national socialism vs Israeli national socialism ... and both societies were/are chauvinist socialisms ... there is a similarity.  Adolf Hitler and Ze'ev Jabotinsky were both militant socialists for whom "the ends justify the means".  With one, Judaism must be resisted by violence.  The other, anti-Semitism must be resisted by violence.

To what degree any of this is "legitimate" or "moral" is arguable of course.  Being of party Germanic ancestry, I am split over German militancy.  Being of Jewish ethos (but not much ethnos) I am split over Israeli militancy.  You are correct, that often the legitimacy of the thing is based on whether its objectives are met, however undesirable they might be.  Niall of the Nine Hostages and Genghis Khan are examples ;-)
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Re: Isnt Judaism same as Aryanism (Nazism)
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2020, 05:00:11 PM »
First, it's generally a good idea to introduce yourself before you start making arguments like this. Second, no, I don't think they are the same at all. Judaism is a remnant of ancient tribal culture. It's not so much that they hate people who aren't Jews, but that they have to do what they can to ensure their own survival. Aryanism, on the other hand, is a recent phenomenon. It's not just about the survival of your tribe any more. It's about feeling superior because of your color, and being prejudiced against people who look different. The idea that you can organize people by something as trivial as melanin concentration, considering how divided white people had been in the past, is very strange.

To be frank, I find it annoying how some Christians hold Jews on a pedestal, because they are supposedly "God's chosen people." The Jews are not special, holy people. But I don't think they would have done anything like what the Germans did, if given the chance. Yes, I know the Hebrews of the Old Testament are far from rolemodels, but the Old Testament is not a history book. The Hebrews were basically the underdogs for their entire existence, and I think any stories about them utterly destroying their enemies in battle are just power fantasies. More importantly, modern Jews have not shown themselves to be dangerous. Not like the white supremacists were, or still are.
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Offline Hydra009

Re: Isnt Judaism same as Aryanism (Nazism)
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2020, 05:26:02 PM »
First thread and it's about the joooz and Germany and Aryanism.  Big Red flag.

Re: Isnt Judaism same as Aryanism (Nazism)
« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2020, 07:14:56 PM »
noun: kibla
the direction of the Kaaba (the sacred building at Mecca), to which Muslims turn at prayer.

So, are you Muslim? 
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?

Re: Isnt Judaism same as Aryanism (Nazism)
« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2020, 07:38:19 PM »
noun: kibla
the direction of the Kaaba (the sacred building at Mecca), to which Muslims turn at prayer.

So, are you Muslim?
It was a random name i picked. I make hadith audiobooks (to better inform people "less lies from media, politicians" but no i aint.
Was raised in Norway by Christian parents. I aint a christian but my family is. Church of Norway is Evangelical Lutheran.
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Offline Baruch

Re: Isnt Judaism same as Aryanism (Nazism)
« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2020, 09:04:08 PM »
I have a bit of Danish viking myself, my ex has a bit of Norwegian viking.  Like leaven, a little goes a long way ;-)
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ ła’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Re: Isnt Judaism same as Aryanism (Nazism)
« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2020, 12:47:28 AM »
It was a random name i picked. I make hadith audiobooks (to better inform people "less lies from media, politicians" but no i aint.
Was raised in Norway by Christian parents. I aint a christian but my family is. Church of Norway is Evangelical Lutheran.
Kind of a weird 'random' in my view.  Yeah, Sweden is also Lutheran--my mother's parents were both from Sweden.  But grandpa was NOT Lutheran--he had only disgust for it.  Grandma did not care one way or the other.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?

Offline aitm

Re: Isnt Judaism same as Aryanism (Nazism)
« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2020, 08:56:23 AM »
One would have to accept the OT as factual to proclaim what you suggest. The OT even if could be proven true does not show such grand mass scale “murder” as suggested. Remember this is sill a remote part of the world comparatively, millions at that time didn’t even know the existence of the rest of the world. Jewish ego aside, “gods chosen people”,=the reality of the OT shows god was not particularly effective in their own region and decidedly impotent to the rest of the world.

Your suggestion that they are similar to the Nazis is rather a telling view on how you place Judaism as a great and powerful religion while that simply is not the case. Perhaps you are choosing to make Judaism larger than it is.

That all, said, it is well known that if one wished to spend the time, and I imagine someone already has, due to ego, one would find that “per capita” the Jewish people has and rather large lead over other religions in practically all science, technology, arts and most other subjects.
A humans desire to live is exceeded only by their willingness to die for another. Even god cannot equal this magnificent sacrifice. No god has the right to judge them.-first tenant of the Panotheust

Offline Baruch

Re: Isnt Judaism same as Aryanism (Nazism)
« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2020, 10:26:06 AM »
Kind of a weird 'random' in my view.  Yeah, Sweden is also Lutheran--my mother's parents were both from Sweden.  But grandpa was NOT Lutheran--he had only disgust for it.  Grandma did not care one way or the other.

That explains your inherited depression?  Northmen are never happy people.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ ła’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Offline Baruch

Re: Isnt Judaism same as Aryanism (Nazism)
« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2020, 10:27:06 AM »
One would have to accept the OT as factual to proclaim what you suggest. The OT even if could be proven true does not show such grand mass scale “murder” as suggested. Remember this is sill a remote part of the world comparatively, millions at that time didn’t even know the existence of the rest of the world. Jewish ego aside, “gods chosen people”,=the reality of the OT shows god was not particularly effective in their own region and decidedly impotent to the rest of the world.

Your suggestion that they are similar to the Nazis is rather a telling view on how you place Judaism as a great and powerful religion while that simply is not the case. Perhaps you are choosing to make Judaism larger than it is.

That all, said, it is well known that if one wished to spend the time, and I imagine someone already has, due to ego, one would find that “per capita” the Jewish people has and rather large lead over other religions in practically all science, technology, arts and most other subjects.

Invasion of the Sea Peoples ... war wasn't just for sailors, but landlubbers too.  Even earlier if you count the Hyksos as Semites, they count as proto-Jews.

The prequel to the Bible ...



Where historical Israel came from, and the context ...



Per the OT, the Philistines were war like and had iron tools/weapons.  Israelites had to trade with them to get iron tools (iron plow blades would have been particularly useful in their rocky soil).  The rise of the initial Israel Kingdom was to defeat the Philistines and to be able to make their own iron implements.  Famously, David was a shepherd who only had sling stones.  Only a king had proper armor and weapons, like Saul.

The success of the later Neo-Assyrian Empire, led to the adoption of the Aramaic alphabet and language for state records, cuneiform being relegated to the scholarly.  Persia conquered Assyria, and adopted this same state tool (Aramaic).  Persian control and later Greek control of Mesopotamia, led to the eventual eclipse of cuneiform, Babylonian and Assyrian.  Greek was then the administrative language under Alexander and his successors, until the coming of the Islamic hordes, and Quranic Arabic took its place.

Meanwhile, Hebrew became eclipsed by Aramaic also, becoming a scholarly language during the Roman period.  But the NT was composed in Greek by Hellenistic Jews.

Primary sources, mentioning the Apiru and Shosu ... from the reign of monotheist, Pharaoh Akhenaton.



This older lecture ... fails to mention that Hebrew = Canaanite/Ugaritic.  Amorites = Hyksos.  Byblos = Bible.



This had a cultural impact, thru the Moses faction (Kohens and Levites) who had no tribal territory in Israel.  The Bible of course came much later, is an anthology, is like a Hollywood movie (based on real events) haha.  Modern versions like Prince of Egypt animation, is a Hollywood movie based on a real book.
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Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ ła’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Offline SGOS

Re: Isnt Judaism same as Aryanism (Nazism)
« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2020, 08:40:34 AM »
I'll take a Jew over a Nazi any day.  They are hardly paragons of virtue, but after the Holocaust, they're probably not ready to start taking shit from anyone.  I suppose they should be more forgiving, but they chose to live in a hostile corner of the world.  Why they would choose to live in a desert filled with people who make an ideology out of hating them, I'm not sure.  Yeah, I know there's a controversy over who started being dicks first.  But Nazis?  Get real!  Jews don't even come close on the dick scale.

Offline SGOS

Re: Isnt Judaism same as Aryanism (Nazism)
« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2020, 08:43:29 AM »
If Hitler were still alive, all the Jews would be gone, and he'd be hunting down Arabs.

Offline Baruch

Re: Isnt Judaism same as Aryanism (Nazism)
« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2020, 11:26:06 AM »
I'll take a Jew over a Nazi any day.  They are hardly paragons of virtue, but after the Holocaust, they're probably not ready to start taking shit from anyone.  I suppose they should be more forgiving, but they chose to live in a hostile corner of the world.  Why they would choose to live in a desert filled with people who make an ideology out of hating them, I'm not sure.  Yeah, I know there's a controversy over who started being dicks first.  But Nazis?  Get real!  Jews don't even come close on the dick scale.

All Gentiles are evil?  Many Jews think so.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ ła’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Re: Isnt Judaism same as Aryanism (Nazism)
« Reply #14 on: August 26, 2020, 06:11:03 AM »
I dont mean to sound like a jerk.


Oops.

And playing the "Just As Bad As" game only works with people who agree with you.
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
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