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There is grandeur in this view of life
« on: July 28, 2020, 07:58:56 PM »
“There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been and are being evolved.”

Beautiful...I feel the Deist is not too far from where I are.





Offline Baruch

Re: There is grandeur in this view of life
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2020, 10:28:09 PM »
Nature has a great deal to admire, a lot of beauty.  If you romanticize it.  Now if ugly women and men could just wear paper sacks, not just masks ;-)



Yellowstone isn't our only super volcano.  Valles Caldera, near Los Alamos in NM is another one ;-)
« Last Edit: July 28, 2020, 10:33:32 PM by Baruch »
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Offline Baruch

Re: There is grandeur in this view of life
« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2020, 10:50:15 PM »
In the more abstract realms ...

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Offline Baruch

Re: There is grandeur in this view of life
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2020, 06:39:30 PM »
Proper peer review and repetitive and independent confirmation make random ideas or random observations into real science ... Sabine is laser sharp in her constructive criticism ...



"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself—and you are the easiest person to fool. So you have to be very careful about that." - Richard Feynman from his talk on "cargo cult science".

I hope that the technical problems regarding gravitational waves can be resolved, but they won't be in the pages of Popular Science.  Nobel Prizes also are not the sin qua non of confirmation (see Barak Obama).

BTW ... super accurate celestial mechanics has proven that Ptolemy the astronomer, fudged his data to match his epicycles.  Was Copernicus right?  Not actually, his heliocentric model had more epicycles than Ptolemy.  The aberration of starlight and the Focault pendulum were the first direct evidence for heliocentric models, other than mere "reason".  It was Kepler who made heliocentric models reasonable ... though not knowing why.  It took Newton to explain why (except for the orbit of Mercury).  It took Einstein  to explain the orbit of Mercury.  And we still don't have a valid form of quantum gravity.
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Re: There is grandeur in this view of life
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2020, 06:42:19 AM »
“You are the sky. Everything else – it’s just the weather.”

― Pema Chödrön

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Re: There is grandeur in this view of life
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2020, 07:50:06 AM »
“There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been and are being evolved.”]

A romantic view. As particularly lucky humans can and will prescribe, the world is a wonderful beautiful thing. I would suggest that this view is not reality for the majority of humans who struggle with constant fear and hunger and diseases. We’re we to go one step further and consider the animal kingdom, I doubt they consider this world grand at all but a life of constant wariness and fear-if indeed they experience fear as we do. When your life is destined to be eaten...at any moment by another creature or man-given we don’t really know if they understand that, I would hesitate to claim all that is, is grandeur.

To those of us lucky enough to life in a place where our concerns are merely pedantic comparatively, we have the luxury of examining our universe, the mountains, the oceans and proclaim....ahhh, ain’t life grand.

Reminds me of many of our philosophers of the past, many I’f not most came from relative wealth and had the time and luxury of sitting on their ass...pondering, while millions in “third” world countries were doing all they can to make it to noon alive.

Life ain’t grand, we got lucky enough to be put in a position where we have the time and luxury to think life is grand.
A humans desire to live is exceeded only by their willingness to die for another. Even god cannot equal this magnificent sacrifice. No god has the right to judge them.-first tenant of the Panotheust

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Re: There is grandeur in this view of life
« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2020, 09:59:42 AM »
A romantic view. As particularly lucky humans can and will prescribe, the world is a wonderful beautiful thing. I would suggest that this view is not reality for the majority of humans who struggle with constant fear and hunger and diseases. We’re we to go one step further and consider the animal kingdom, I doubt they consider this world grand at all but a life of constant wariness and fear-if indeed they experience fear as we do. When your life is destined to be eaten...at any moment by another creature or man-given we don’t really know if they understand that, I would hesitate to claim all that is, is grandeur.

To those of us lucky enough to life in a place where our concerns are merely pedantic comparatively, we have the luxury of examining our universe, the mountains, the oceans and proclaim....ahhh, ain’t life grand.

Reminds me of many of our philosophers of the past, many I’f not most came from relative wealth and had the time and luxury of sitting on their ass...pondering, while millions in “third” world countries were doing all they can to make it to noon alive.

Life ain’t grand, we got lucky enough to be put in a position where we have the time and luxury to think life is grand.
Thanks for that slap in the face.  It's good to have a reality check once in awhile.

Re: There is grandeur in this view of life
« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2020, 10:18:47 AM »
I am lucky enough to have an entire backyard that is an organic garden.  Good eats right now.  But it is a constant battle with heat and bugs.  I imagine the harmful (to me and my plants) bugs regard me as the huge, gloved, devil who kills!  And I do given the chance.  Nature is wonderful!  And Cruel beyond belief.  I encourage spiders (not blackwidows) to make webs, catch bugs and suck the life out of them as they live.  My garden is beautiful and horrid all at once.  As Campbell says--the purpose of life is life; even if you have to destroy life to gain it or keep it.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?

Offline Baruch

Re: There is grandeur in this view of life
« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2020, 10:24:13 AM »
I am lucky enough to have an entire backyard that is an organic garden.  Good eats right now.  But it is a constant battle with heat and bugs.  I imagine the harmful (to me and my plants) bugs regard me as the huge, gloved, devil who kills!  And I do given the chance.  Nature is wonderful!  And Cruel beyond belief.  I encourage spiders (not blackwidows) to make webs, catch bugs and suck the life out of them as they live.  My garden is beautiful and horrid all at once.  As Campbell says--the purpose of life is life; even if you have to destroy life to gain it or keep it.

Humans are part of nature (per atheism).  So it is a beautiful/horrid thing as one rots in the ground.  Whether god as nature or nature as god ... I see no morality in it.  Serial killers do no wrong.
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Re: There is grandeur in this view of life
« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2020, 11:36:24 AM »
The grandeur in this view comes from comprehending the incredible struggle of life versus entropy. That very struggle is what makes living and life so beautiful and valuable. The delicate perilous balance and tenacity of life and the mission to continue on in a dynamic universe. Fortunately, despite all the pain and suffering that occurs to living creatures, happiness is not always reliably measured simply by material wealth. However, material wealth does give sentient beings the luxury of science, philosophy and natural wonder and I will not squander that opportunity even when threatened with eternal punishment.

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Re: There is grandeur in this view of life
« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2020, 12:51:22 PM »
I find women more inspiring than entropy, but then I am a romantic ;-)
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Re: There is grandeur in this view of life
« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2020, 10:41:57 PM »
More on abstract beauty ... why most macro things don't show quantum effect, but are "classical" ...

Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
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Re: There is grandeur in this view of life
« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2020, 07:16:12 AM »
Well, discrete sampling (as in taking a measurement) always results in artifacts even in macro world. You are, after all convolving a time function (be it continuous or discrete) with a finite discrete impulse series.

Offline Baruch

Re: There is grandeur in this view of life
« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2020, 11:38:39 AM »
Well, discrete sampling (as in taking a measurement) always results in artifacts even in macro world. You are, after all convolving a time function (be it continuous or discrete) with a finite discrete impulse series.

Women are sexy when they talk like that (just kidding).

What happens when nature samples itself (as it must since everything interacts with everything else)?  The kinds of interactions people make are a fingerprint of humanity.
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