Author Topic: Liberal---Conservative  (Read 2279 times)

Offline Baruch

Re: Liberal---Conservative
« Reply #15 on: July 28, 2020, 04:53:10 PM »
Yeah, I know poli sci is a thing.  I was asking about how exactly republicans and democrats govern differently, what's different about their methodology.  I kinda feel like that's what you were writing about.

Both work for the same criminal billionaires.  One is status quo (which aids the Elite) and one is pseudo-change-to-status-quo (which aids the Elite).  Each is controlled opposition, per Jay Gould.
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Offline drunkenshoe

Re: Liberal---Conservative
« Reply #16 on: July 29, 2020, 05:02:15 AM »
Any governance by a party not mine ... kill them!

Yes, communism brings free medicine, see Cuba.

No, I don't mean it like that.

Think about words like 'absolutism'. Doesn't matter who uses it; an ordinary person, a historian, a politician... what it exactly tells today when used? There is a definition in books yeah...but where it fits now? What are we describing with it.

A completely different angle. Art. On the last couple of decades -more?- hyperrealism is on the rise. Why? Because I can show people a 'traditional' kind of painting and they would all find different qualities in it art wise, unless it showed strict traits of some  modern art movement. But in/after contemporary art, while that would be only imitating, refering or borrowing a style in general sense, you don't get that reaction with hyperrealist paintings. It's what it is as in artistic expression.

Everything was percieved as solid and stable once has been dissolving so fast, people want to see/feel some stability; something that doesn't change under any circumstances and hold on to it. OK, I don't want to use that word but yeah the freaking postmodernism...*Runs.
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Offline Baruch

Re: Liberal---Conservative
« Reply #17 on: July 29, 2020, 10:16:52 AM »
The Fourth Turning ... where people are on rotisseries over camp fires?  That is Trot (inevitable worldwide revolution).  All revolutions are managed, by someone, for the benefit of those someones.  Sometimes the peasants temporarily benefit, as in the 1381 Peasant Revolt where they went to the London court house (see Portland) to not only kill the lawyers, but to burn the debt records.  People who are maxed out on their credit cards and are desperate ... too bad the records are electronic and probably stored in a server in Greenland.
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Offline Baruch

Re: Liberal---Conservative
« Reply #18 on: July 31, 2020, 11:24:30 AM »
"PATREON JUST LOST MAJOR CULTURE WAR LAWSUIT AND FACES THE MOST EPIC GET WOKE GO BROKE EVE" ... per California law, any dissatisfied Patreon user in California can file suit, and with each suit filed, Patreon has to set aside $10,000 bail money to be handled by the state of California.  If enough Californicators do this, Patreon is closed.
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Offline aitm

Re: Liberal---Conservative
« Reply #19 on: August 01, 2020, 11:32:16 AM »
Today, the truth is in the eyes of the beholder. Your are indeed, apparently
, entitled to your own facts.
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Offline Baruch

Re: Liberal---Conservative
« Reply #20 on: August 01, 2020, 12:47:35 PM »
Today, the truth is in the eyes of the beholder. Your are indeed, apparently
, entitled to your own facts.

Columbus, Italian hero or European terrorist.  Dems ... traitors or freedom fighters (now or in 1861).
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Offline PopeyesPappy

Re: Liberal---Conservative
« Reply #21 on: August 05, 2020, 08:00:22 AM »
Anyway, left and right are much like the term commie; a charged word, one that is used and one is simply supposed to accept it as it is being used by the person uttering them. 

I feel much the same about the fascist label. True fascism doesn't exist in today's modern western world. Sure people like Trump and many others are using pages right out of Mussolini and Hitler's playbook. Rhetoric about nationalism and trying to make victims out of the majority, but that doesn't make them facists.

What many liberals that like to label conservatives as fascists fail to realize is that fascism was originally a progressive movement. Mussolini was originally a socialist not a conservative.
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Re: Liberal---Conservative
« Reply #22 on: August 05, 2020, 08:28:45 AM »
I feel much the same about the fascist label. True fascism doesn't exist in today's modern western world. Sure people like Trump and many others are using pages right out of Mussolini and Hitler's playbook. Rhetoric about nationalism and trying to make victims out of the majority, but that doesn't make them facists.

What many liberals that like to label conservatives as fascists fail to realize is that fascism was originally a progressive movement. Mussolini was originally a socialist not a conservative.

Yeah, the idea that democrats actually want Soviet style communism or that republicans want Nazi style fascism is very attractive to binary-brained morons. Aside from them however I do think that many have shifted farther away from the center because we have a clueless, divisive idiot in office. He does not represent traditional conservative values (such as personal responsibility). I think moderate conservatives are finally starting to see this and will reject him this election.

Offline Baruch

Re: Liberal---Conservative
« Reply #23 on: August 05, 2020, 08:37:57 AM »
I feel much the same about the fascist label. True fascism doesn't exist in today's modern western world. Sure people like Trump and many others are using pages right out of Mussolini and Hitler's playbook. Rhetoric about nationalism and trying to make victims out of the majority, but that doesn't make them facists.

What many liberals that like to label conservatives as fascists fail to realize is that fascism was originally a progressive movement. Mussolini was originally a socialist not a conservative.

True fascism has never been tried ... bwahaha.  Just like true communism.  Democrats use pages right out of Mao's little red book.  Fact ... all Americans deserve to die (eventually).  Die one at a time or all on the same day ... choose wisely.

Correct, Mussolini, Hitler and Stalin are the most progressive of the 20th century, with Russia and Italy leading Germany.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futurism ... old cultural Marxism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-futurism ... new cultural Marxism

Nazis vs Stalinists were good cop/bad cop.  California Dems want to repeal civil rights so they can declare Black people the master race.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_California_Proposition_16
« Last Edit: August 05, 2020, 09:14:55 AM by Baruch »
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Re: Liberal---Conservative
« Reply #24 on: August 05, 2020, 09:13:03 AM »
I feel much the same about the fascist label. True fascism doesn't exist in today's modern western world. Sure people like Trump and many others are using pages right out of Mussolini and Hitler's playbook. Rhetoric about nationalism and trying to make victims out of the majority, but that doesn't make them facists.

What many liberals that like to label conservatives as fascists fail to realize is that fascism was originally a progressive movement. Mussolini was originally a socialist not a conservative.
I agree.  And I'd also suggest there is no such thing (in the classical sense) as democracy, republic, communist, socialist or any other label for any government.  All of them have taken parts of this and parts of that.  The US is often labeled a democracy; it has never been that.  The closest we can come I think is calling it a constitutional republic.  Anyway, trumps view of what he wants to establish would be a lifelong dictator.  He really doesn't care about labels and simply wants his way all the time.
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Offline SGOS

Re: Liberal---Conservative
« Reply #25 on: August 05, 2020, 09:15:59 AM »
Yeah, the idea that democrats actually want Soviet style communism or that republicans want Nazi style fascism is very attractive to binary-brained morons.
There is good in bad in all types of the common "...isms", but some people have learned (or decided) that that their ideology is purely good and wholesome, and all other ideologies are purely bad and evil.  When a person advocates an unadulterated ideology and rejects all others, say like Ayn Rand, he or she is an extremist in love with one part of an ideology, without seeing it's flaws.  Ayn Rand was a binary thinker to the point of actually being stupid.  And her vision was so narrow that her ideology never really caught on.  The flaw was too obvious to those who were not caught in the binary trap.

Offline Baruch

Re: Liberal---Conservative
« Reply #26 on: August 05, 2020, 09:16:56 AM »
I agree.  And I'd also suggest there is no such thing (in the classical sense) as democracy, republic, communist, socialist or any other label for any government.  All of them have taken parts of this and parts of that.  The US is often labeled a democracy; it has never been that.  The closest we can come I think is calling it a constitutional republic.  Anyway, trumps view of what he wants to establish would be a lifelong dictator.  He really doesn't care about labels and simply wants his way all the time.

This would be the product of long term MJ use?  Groovy.

Anyone who is a "critic" of society, wants to control the government in a tyrannical way.  And all tyrants want absolute power.  Maniacs.

As Socrates would say, democracy is Athenian bullshit.

Americans are binary thinkers.

"DEMOCRATS PUSHED NYC INTO A DEATH SPIRAL, CUOMO BEGS WEALTHY PEOPLE TO RETURN AS MORE FLEE FAR LEF.." ... let the Dems eat the rich first, no fair going to Connecticut/New Jersey to avoid cannibalism.  De Blasio won't give a permit for Blue Lives Matter street art in front of NYPD HQ, but BLM doesn't even need a permit for their street art.  Guantanamo for all the Dem leaders.  Because there aren't enough padded cells.

Dem lawyers are planning on challenging every election at every level, that they don't win ;-)  Soros is funding this.
« Last Edit: August 05, 2020, 03:57:46 PM by Baruch »
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Offline Baruch

Re: Liberal---Conservative
« Reply #27 on: August 06, 2020, 02:50:08 PM »
Brilliant summary ...

"People instituted governments to protect themselves from bandits, thieves and slavers. But then the smartest bandits, thieves and slavers found a way to infiltrate governments in order to use governmental power to continue to screw innocent people over by stealing from them and enslaving them."
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Online Hydra009

Re: Liberal---Conservative
« Reply #28 on: August 06, 2020, 03:26:49 PM »
I feel much the same about the fascist label. True fascism doesn't exist in today's modern western world. Sure people like Trump and many others are using pages right out of Mussolini and Hitler's playbook. Rhetoric about nationalism and trying to make victims out of the majority, but that doesn't make them facists.
While that is broadly true - I would add that modern neo-nazis are quite unlike their historic brethren -  it is still pretty disturbing to see the rise of the "alt-right" with its attendant nationalism and anti-immigrant sentiment, appeals for a "strongman", and even publicly floating the idea of an "ethnostate" (e pluribus unum, what's that?)

There have also been calls - not from loonies, but from actual elected officials - to curtail the "lying press" and targeting several non-white representatives to "go back where they came from".  Spoiler: most of them were born in America.

We even get oddly suspicious stuff like photoshopping a Jewish rival's nose to appeal to a racist caricature.

Perhaps this shouldn't be viewed as a simple binary distinction - is and is not - but a spectrum.
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Offline Baruch

Re: Liberal---Conservative
« Reply #29 on: August 06, 2020, 11:25:39 PM »
As long as there is one White male bigot ... one can destroy all White males.  I could find actual KKK marching in my town, or people of any color LARPing as SS troops.

“Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.” Voltaire ... this applied not only to the monarchy and RCC in France, but to the Jacobins who followed them.

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« Last Edit: August 06, 2020, 11:46:27 PM by Baruch »
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