Author Topic: Why is Leftism a faillure even when it wins?  (Read 314 times)

Offline Baruch

Why is Leftism a faillure even when it wins?
« on: July 19, 2020, 07:57:40 PM »
Because it is the result of perpetually unhappy people, who can never be satisfied!  Group hatred can only be ended by suicide ;-(



Take over the ivory tower (not worth much), win few elections (they are elite fakes), destroy a few countries (Soviet Union) … but the perpetually puritanical unhappy people will turn on it.  As Robespierre found out I am unhappy, and it is someone else's fault (which eventually he was the target, not the targetee)!
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ ła’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Re: Why is Leftism a faillure even when it wins?
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2020, 07:32:11 AM »
I'm sure that's how things are on your planet.
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

Offline Baruch

Re: Why is Leftism a faillure even when it wins?
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2020, 09:16:48 AM »
I'm sure that's how things are on your planet.

I don't live with the Clinton-billies ;-)
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ ła’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Online GSOgymrat

Re: Why is Leftism a faillure even when it wins?
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2020, 07:24:33 AM »
Why Leftism is a failure even when it wins? Because it is the result of perpetually unhappy people, who can never be satisfied!

Politically active people, regardless of orientation, are dissatisfied. Contented people and apathetic people are not motivated to protest or work toward change. Progressive people are perpetually discontent because they are future oriented and focused not only one their own wellbeing but the wellbeing of others. Progressivism states the world must be constantly improved, to not do so is to accept inequity and injustice. I don't consider myself progressive.

I didn't really care for the video. It used far too many generalizations and stereotypes for my taste. As far as rants on contemporary society, I prefer this:


How to destroy civilization in 10 easy steps by Peter Boghossian

1) Claim that science, reason, and rationality are tools of oppression.

2) Focus on equality of outcome at the expense of equality of opportunity.

3) Teach a generation of students that being offended by certain *ideas* makes them better people.

4) “Decolonize” curricula by switching from robust epistemologies (scientific method) to radically subjective ones (autoethnography). Simultaneously, claim that anyone who has a problem with this isn’t merely mistaken but is a terrible person.

5) Sanction and shame people who have conversations across political and moral divides. Guilt by association is a particularly good enforcement mechanism.

6) Promote cultural, moral, and epistemological relativism. In other words, advance the notion that there’s no way to make independent judgments about cultural practices, moral codes, and ways of knowing.

7) Create and legally enforce blasphemy laws. This will be most effective if certain ideas are made sacred and thus immune from criticism. Bonus: Equate criticisms of ideas with criticisms of immutable properties of people.

8) Advance the narrative that what people can know is limited to exogenous, immutable characteristics, like skin color or gender.

9) Deny people healthcare based upon their income.

10) Do not provide a public education of the first rate for every citizen.
“You are the sky. Everything else – it’s just the weather.”

― Pema Chödrön

Offline Baruch

Re: Why is Leftism a faillure even when it wins?
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2020, 09:20:20 AM »
Things can be improved.  One day at a time, one person at a time.  The lie and delusion is "you can improve everything at once, if you support our political party".

In many respects, even the French Revolution was a failure, they had Napoleon to put it down.  The American Revolution was also a failure, not just because of slavery.  Even if there were no slaves, there were plenty of Indians to kill.  Even if there were no Indians, the New Englanders and the Carolinas had nothing in common.  1865 was a new country.  This is long in the tooth, doomed to fail soon.  When Blacks support the Democrats, and destroy statues to Lincoln, Black Regiment, Frederick Douglas … absurdity has taken over.  Only a civil war, with a bloodied new US, can restart this failed experiment once again.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ ła’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Online GSOgymrat

Re: Why is Leftism a faillure even when it wins?
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2020, 09:47:09 AM »
Things can be improved.  One day at a time, one person at a time.  The lie and delusion is "you can improve everything at once, if you support our political party".

Technologies have improved very quickly but the ability of people to organize themselves in sustainable societies that meet the needs of all their members is proving difficult. The human experience itself hasn't changed in thousands of years. We still spend our days wondering what's for dinner. This is why I believe if someone is dissatisfied it's easier to change one's behavior and relationship to the world than attempting to change the world itself. If you truly change how you interact with others, they will change how they interact with you, and slowly the world changes. "Be the change you wish to see in the world" is hackneyed but I do believe it's true.
“You are the sky. Everything else – it’s just the weather.”

― Pema Chödrön

Re: Why is Leftism a faillure even when it wins?
« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2020, 11:48:06 AM »
When someone can't even spell "failure" I have no desire to see what they're babbling about.
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

Offline Baruch

Re: Why is Leftism a faillure even when it wins?
« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2020, 07:49:17 PM »
When someone can't even spell "failure" I have no desire to see what they're babbling about.

Careful shaving with that titanium katana, you might end up looking like another suicide connected to Hillary ;-)
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ ła’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Offline Rogue

Re: Why is Leftism a faillure even when it wins?
« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2020, 11:34:08 AM »
Because it is the result of perpetually unhappy people, who can never be satisfied!  Group hatred can only be ended by suicide ;-(


Take over the ivory tower (not worth much), win few elections (they are elite fakes), destroy a few countries (Soviet Union) … but the perpetually puritanical unhappy people will turn on it.  As Robespierre found out I am unhappy, and it is someone else's fault (which eventually he was the target, not the targetee)!

I am not persuaded. I found the video lacking ethos and logos. That makes it an appeal to emotion fallacy.



Belief in a cruel God makes a crueler man...Thomas Paine

Offline Sal1981

Re: Why is Leftism a faillure even when it wins?
« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2020, 01:28:28 PM »
The more I watch Vaush, the more I'm convinced that right-wingers are emotionally stunted children incapable of rational discourse and inevitably fall back to emotional "reasoning". When all you have is ideology, reality becomes a problem.
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool" --- Richard P. Feynman

Offline Baruch

Re: Why is Leftism a faillure even when it wins?
« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2020, 05:27:13 PM »
Sorry, while humans are a confused primate species, it is bigotry to take them to task for that ;-)

Billions of humans, all mentally and emotionally confused.  Competing for resources and attention.  Bedlam boys!
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ ła’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Offline Rogue

Re: Why is Leftism a faillure even when it wins?
« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2020, 10:03:53 AM »
Sorry, while humans are a confused primate species, it is bigotry to take them to task for that ;-)

I do declare, I am interested in your premises honey.

Belief in a cruel God makes a crueler man...Thomas Paine

Offline Baruch

Re: Why is Leftism a faillure even when it wins?
« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2020, 10:17:34 AM »
I do declare, I am interested in your premises honey.

Honey!  Who is Poo Bear!? (aka John Galt)

Human beings are primates.  It is wrong to expect too much of them, given that cats and dogs are clearly more intelligent (grifters).
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ ła’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Re: Why is Leftism a faillure even when it wins?
« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2020, 08:48:49 AM »
Some political ideologies are created for the people you want, not the people you have.
Watch my fanfilm
The Null Zone

Film the sequel
Null Zone Part Two

Offline Sal1981

Re: Why is Leftism a faillure even when it wins?
« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2020, 02:43:06 PM »
Why not both?
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool" --- Richard P. Feynman