Trump Versus Biden

[Blackleaf]

So to update our list of things that disqualify you from having a valid opinion in politics, according to bob nelson:

1. Having a cartoon/anime avatar.

2. Having a username based on a cartoon or anime.

3. Living with your parents.

4. Doing too much research.

5. Being mad about stuff.

6. Caring too much about politics.

[Blackleaf]

The problem is the right believes in government by the people. But only the right people.

Specifically, the old, rich, white, Christian guys, and the minorities who are willing to simp for them. Everyone else is a whiny socialist who should just be happy they allow us to live here.

[GSOgymrat]

Atheists of course reject all gods, except the tiny god that is their own ego ;-)) ... that is why there is no room for other gods ;-)))

[Baruch]

Once I reached upper management in corporate America and my portfolio was fluctuating 5 figures on an average day, I was allowed to attend events with people worth hundreds of millions and they would shoot the shit. They love the stereotypical Trump voters. They had a laugh about how they are "as dumb as rocks", but they love them.

The only vote that matters is the one vote per share that elects that board who will do all the real what, where, who and when deciding that really effects our lives (including who in the government needs to be elected for the very purpose of throttling itself.) And of course your health is just another business.

That is why, looking back 46 years, I would never hire a failed lawyer or con artist (aka politician) for any job.  Not that there aren't worthless shits in business, who shouldn't be allowed to run a lemonade stand.  One of my favorites …

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/546936.Up_the_Organization

@GSOgymrat … everyone who posts on the Internet is an asshole, which is why I post too ;-)

[Hydra009]

Specifically, the old, rich, white, Christian guys, and the minorities who are willing to simp for them. Everyone else is a whiny socialist who should just be happy they allow us to live here.

I saw a post on social media that basically tried to excuse GOP attempts to manipulate the election on the grounds that the liberals are doing the same thing by "bribing" the electorate with social programs.  Apparently, people deriving some benefit from their tax dollars counts as bribery now.

[Baruch]

I saw a post on social media that basically tried to excuse GOP attempts to manipulate the election on the grounds that the liberals are doing the same thing by "bribing" the electorate with social programs.  Apparently, people deriving some benefit from their tax dollars counts as bribery now.

Bribery is good, so is murder.  Don't be such killjoys!

[GSOgymrat]

I saw a post on social media that basically tried to excuse GOP attempts to manipulate the election on the grounds that the liberals are doing the same thing by "bribing" the electorate with social programs.  Apparently, people deriving some benefit from their tax dollars counts as bribery now.

I don't suppose those social media posters have returned their $1200 Trump-endorsed bribes "stimulus checks" to the government.

[drunkenshoe]

They don't see any of it as crime or even corruption when they, themselves do it. This is how organized religion and right wing works. It's the whole point of orgnized religion from the beginning. Right wing politics and policies, nationalism is the religion of the modern state. It's the same fucking shit. It's the same everywhere around the world.

"But deomcrats are corrupt too!" Yeah because Democrats in the US are right wing too. They are just not insanely homicidal, they're aiming for some sort of a balance in making policies for people. A simple example. They understand the consequences of prohibiting abortion. Or why there should be a universal health care.

Forget about the pandemic and the last 4 years. As far as I understand the lobby system in the US is worst than an absurd horror movie. Or have you guys seen the documentary called The Laundromat? If that is a popular movie made in the last few years with Hollywood stars, think about what has been really going on for decades? Did you know that they sued and tried to remove that from Netflix? How many people were imprisoned after 2008 mortgage crisis? It seems, just after that the same thing has started over again. What will happen after the new mortage crisis? The bank system?

On the other hand, you cannot administrate a modern society without establishing a laicist system. You just can't. A secular culture grows after that, as a result of that. Because first the institutions get laicist, then people and so the culture gets secular. Institutions don't get secular. You just don't take a fundamental concept and modify it according to politcial benefit. It's not some food or an ancient holiday.

Ending the reign of organised religion is a must to achieve civilisation; putting every religious institution under heavy tax -let's see how religious they are without that money- fundamentally secularising public education, making it mandatory, unless there is a serious health issues with the kid. Establish a universal health care system. Making vaccination mandatory. Prohibit every mumbo jumbo imposed as some sort of medicine. Prohibit child pageantry and any kind of bullshit in that line. Just random examples. It's all about building a social state.

If you think these things are an issue of 'freedom', or some agenda to build a 'communist' or 'socialist' system...whatever  -it is hard to keep track on how people use those words, assuming they are not 11 years old- congratulations, you are a right wing moron. 

Supppose that I'm deeply religous and against gay people. (Whatever that means...) I'm producing something or providing a service. And I demand that it is my right not to provide it for gay people. No, it is NOT. Because that is not a right. It's not freedom either.

You do not administrate with religous belief or emotions. There is no such freedom. And if you let that go, 10 years later people start dying in streets, because religious/right wing morons with MDs demanded to exercise their 'right' not to treat anyone they do not like; purple people, nonbelievers, pixies or jedi masters. Yes, selling a wedding cake is exactly the same bullshit because it is the door to this sewege. It's the inch and a mile thing. Because it is fucking human and how people work. Because we used to call those kind of people extremists, fanatics just a decade ago. Now, they are almost the standard issue everywhere.

You wouldn't even realise how it came to that point when it happened. Before the religious gov, abortion was legal in Turkey up to 3 months (roughly 15 years ago) it wasn't an issue, wasn't even talked about and now, while it is legal up to 2 months, it is just on paper. Women get constantly denied their right because doctors make a choice or are afraid to be fired, exiled.

No, it wouldn't be different because it is the USA. Actually, it would be worse considering the scale. It's how the US -and some other western countries- has gone backwards in the last 20 years or so, after the creation of the new boogeyman order of 'Muslims gonna get us!', making constant, absurd comparisons with Middle Eastern countries, creating a false and fake safety, boosting the worst parts of American identity...ignoring whatever is going wrong domestically in real life. It's on sterorids now.   

There is a group here. Religious, educated, don't eat cosher, enjoys alcohol, don't wear ethnic clothes, visits Europe regularly, earns good money, but doesn't skip a prayer...etc. They don't believe half the stories about the last protests or the numbers, events in the pandemic; the last 6 months of the US because they think it is the usual Islamic government propaganda of "America is a bad bad place". How is that for gaining perspective?

[SGOS]

Just to beat a dead horse some more.  If you want Biden to win, it's good to keep this stuff in mind:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/01/opinion/election-forecasts-modeling-flaws.html

There are two broad ways to model an event: using “fundamentals” â€" mechanisms that can affect the event â€" and probabilities â€" measurements like polls.

For weather, we have fundamentals â€" advanced science on how atmospheric dynamics work â€" and years of detailed, day-by-day, even hour-by-hour data from a vast number of observation stations.


For elections, we simply do not have anything near that kind of knowledge or data. While we have some theories on what influences voters, we have no fine-grained understanding of why people vote the way they do, and what polling data we have is relatively sparse.

If I read that there is a 20 percent chance of rain and do not take an umbrella, the odds of rain coming down don’t change. Electoral modeling, by contrast, actively affects the way people behave. --[Me:  This reminds me of quantum physics.  Observing a particle changes it's behaviors.  I'm not sure if this actually happens in physics, but I'm convinced that observing election polls, changes the behavior of voters.]

Instead of refreshing the page to update predictions, people should do the only thing that actually affects the outcome: vote, donate and organize.

[drunkenshoe]

It was said here that the two research companies who have successfully estimated Trump's win as opposed to the majority back then before the last election are saying Biden. I don't know which ones. It was a long, social media convo.

[Baruch]

It was said here that the two research companies who have successfully estimated Trump's win as opposed to the majority back then before the last election are saying Biden. I don't know which ones. It was a long, social media convo.

Good summary.  Share their names if you can, so we can Burn Loot Murder ;-)  There is no morality, no legality, other than ... did I get away with it.  Your whole complicated theory of socialism is ... delusion.  It is murdering monkeys all the way down ;-)  Of course if I do it, it is right, but if you do it, it is wrong.  Hypocrisy is the smallest evil people know, we know much greater ones, like genocide.  Kill the men, rape the women, enslave the children ... it is the way.

I don't oppose civilization, I deny it even exists.

[Baruch]

I don't suppose those social media posters have returned their $1200 Trump-endorsed bribes "stimulus checks" to the government.

Have liberals returned the riot stimulus checks to Soros?

"Oregon Is On The Verge Of Decriminalizing Heroin, Cocaine, And LSD" ... of course they do.  This has been about free drugs since 1965.

DraftKings Election Pool Alert … only Colorado predicts a nationwide Biden win.  They are all high for Biden/MJ there (an old friend lives in Boulder) ;-)

[Unbeliever]

I wonder just how "temporary" that new fencing around the White House will turn out to be.

[Baruch]

I wonder just how "temporary" that new fencing around the White House will turn out to be.

Long enough to distract while the Obama admin is taken to Guantanamo?

"Headstones vandalized with pro-Trump slogans in Michigan" ... Jewish headstones ... clearly done by Dems, because Trump is the most Jewish president in history, but most Jews are liberal and easily scared

[SGOS]

Trump says, "See?  See what I'm up against?  This vote should be disqualified.  It was placed in the ballot box by an obviously unregistered voter.  Under Biden, perpetrators like this would go free without any jail time."