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Started by Jason Harvestdancer, July 03, 2020, 09:46:46 PM

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Blackleaf

#510
BTW, Munch, don't think we don't notice you liking every right-leaning post in these forums. Liking a post claiming that cartoon avatars invalidate a person's arguments is quite strange coming from someone with an avatar that looks like this:



Cartoon orc = your opinion is invalid
"Oh, wearisome condition of humanity,
Born under one law, to another bound;
Vainly begot, and yet forbidden vanity,
Created sick, commanded to be sound."
--Fulke Greville--

Hydra009

Quote from: Blackleaf on October 26, 2020, 05:55:27 PM
"Democrats are trying to stack the courts in their favor!" - Republicans as they rush to push a far right Republican into the Supreme Court, days before the election
Technically, as people are voting.  And voting to decide the guy who appoints the Supreme Court justices, no less.

bob nelson

 Jesus christ, uh, I mean hail satan, people on this thread take way to much of this stuff personally. This really is your religion now isn't it? The election is a week from now. All of this screaming and kicking will hopefully be over and people can be civil to each other again. I guess what I read is true, most atheists are liberals ,but I didn't expect this much name-calling and temper tantrums. I might be the only one on this web-site that feels this way, but that's okay. As I've gotten older, my feelings on religion and politics have changed to rely on my self and my family more and less on  outside factors. I probably would have to define my self as a "satanist" now. I truly COULD NOT CARE LESS what any bodies opinion is a me. This country is fractured and needs to be repaired. I don't see any of the democrats offering any thing but venom and hatred of the opposition,and nothing short of revolution is good enough. I'm too old to care what other people think. I  do however think a lot of people on this site need to grow-up and get over your selves. HAIL SATAN.

Blackleaf

Quote from: bob nelson on October 26, 2020, 06:55:24 PM
Jesus christ, uh, I mean hail satan, people on this thread take way to much of this stuff personally. This really is your religion now isn't it? The election is a week from now. All of this screaming and kicking will hopefully be over and people can be civil to each other again. I guess what I read is true, most atheists are liberals ,but I didn't expect this much name-calling and temper tantrums. I might be the only one on this web-site that feels this way, but that's okay. As I've gotten older, my feelings on religion and politics have changed to rely on my self and my family more and less on  outside factors. I probably would have to define my self as a "satanist" now. I truly COULD NOT CARE LESS what any bodies opinion is a me. This country is fractured and needs to be repaired. I don't see any of the democrats offering any thing but venom and hatred of the opposition,and nothing short of revolution is good enough. I'm too old to care what other people think. I  do however think a lot of people on this site need to grow-up and get over your selves. HAIL SATAN.

Do you have anything to offer in the way of...I dunno...arguments? Facts? Data? No? Just projection and ad hominem fallacies? Okay.
"Oh, wearisome condition of humanity,
Born under one law, to another bound;
Vainly begot, and yet forbidden vanity,
Created sick, commanded to be sound."
--Fulke Greville--

Mike Cl

Quote from: Blackleaf on October 26, 2020, 05:55:27 PM
"Democrats are trying to stack the courts in their favor!" - Republicans as they rush to push a far right Republican into the Supreme Court, days before the election
Plus tRump has installed about 200 repub/trumpies to the bench already.  And now that he has stripped the civil service of using merit to choose workers, trumpies now will be installed at every turn and in every bureau. 
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?<br />Then he is not omnipotent,<br />Is he able but not willing?<br />Then whence cometh evil?<br />Is he neither able or willing?<br />Then why call him god?

Baruch

Quote from: Blackleaf on October 26, 2020, 05:55:27 PM
"Democrats are trying to stack the courts in their favor!" - Republicans as they rush to push a far right Republican into the Supreme Court, days before the election

Every judge at every level.  Part of politics.  Law isn't neutral, it is partisan.  It can be blind, in a bad way.  So much for equality under law, or professional ethics.  Help your friends, screw your enemies, is the old old way.  Indicative is that most politicians have a law school background ;-(
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Baruch

Quote from: bob nelson on October 26, 2020, 06:55:24 PM
Jesus christ, uh, I mean hail satan, people on this thread take way to much of this stuff personally. This really is your religion now isn't it? The election is a week from now. All of this screaming and kicking will hopefully be over and people can be civil to each other again. I guess what I read is true, most atheists are liberals ,but I didn't expect this much name-calling and temper tantrums. I might be the only one on this web-site that feels this way, but that's okay. As I've gotten older, my feelings on religion and politics have changed to rely on my self and my family more and less on  outside factors. I probably would have to define my self as a "satanist" now. I truly COULD NOT CARE LESS what any bodies opinion is a me. This country is fractured and needs to be repaired. I don't see any of the democrats offering any thing but venom and hatred of the opposition,and nothing short of revolution is good enough. I'm too old to care what other people think. I  do however think a lot of people on this site need to grow-up and get over your selves. HAIL SATAN.

Usually politics is taken personally, unfortunately.  People are too hot ... pssst ... about it.  Fortunately other topics draw less fire.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Baruch

#517
Quote from: Blackleaf on October 26, 2020, 06:57:19 PM
Do you have anything to offer in the way of...I dunno...arguments? Facts? Data? No? Just projection and ad hominem fallacies? Okay.

Karl Marx is god, meth is an aphrodisiac (per Hunter Biden)?

Even if Munch didn't like any of my posts, I would still respect him (given the many posts of his I have read).  A really decent guy.  In the political arena, few here are even human.  Even though he is British and gay, that is no reason to expect he will support all those Californicating political ideas.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Baruch

#518
Quote from: Mike Cl on October 26, 2020, 07:35:52 PM
Plus tRump has installed about 200 repub/trumpies to the bench already.  And now that he has stripped the civil service of using merit to choose workers, trumpies now will be installed at every turn and in every bureau.

Civil service was instituted because President Garfield got assassinated interviewing a job candidate.  As it is, nearly 5000 positions, some just sugar coating jobs, are exchanged every change of party in the WH.  One of the most political are plum ambassador jobs for wealthy couples.  The other system is the "spoils system", which became too hard to handle as the Federal government became much larger because of the Civil War.  Political job applicants were swarming Lincoln's house in Springfield IL, after the election, but before he was inaugurated.

"Recorded Biden Operatives Begging Him To Stay Quiet, Set To Release Tues" ... deaf ornery old men don't cooperate

""I Was Born For That": Hillary Clinton Still Salty 4 Years Later" ... still wants her coronation as Evil Queen
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

GSOgymrat

Quote from: bob nelson on October 26, 2020, 06:55:24 PM
This country is fractured and needs to be repaired.

I agree but I'm not sure how we get there. America's response to this pandemic has been very discouraging. Often in the past Americans banded together when faced with a threat or disaster but that didn't happen this time. I wish Trump or Congress could be blamed but what is going on in America right now is deep, systemic, sociological, and psychological. This alienation and animosity are multifactorial and can't be fixed simply by electing a new president. That said, Trump has demonstrated no ability to build bridges or de-escalate conflicting factions.

drunkenshoe

#520
Respect doesn't work that way, Baruch. It is not some sort of an etherial subtsance that naturally accumulates around people who are generally defined as 'decent' according to some norms in a given society but some people refuse just to spite. You are confusing the regard we are all required to show each other to exist in peace; to achieve basic tenets of civilisation with the respect which is based on some sort of admiration for some ability, quality or accomplishment. We don't live in the same building. We have come here to express our opinions and find people who think like us.

Nobody disrespects a member in this forum because of their life style, sexual orientation, nationality OR for their political conviction as long as they can build an argument for it. We have/had every kind of people here. Hell, we had a self proclaimed pedophile, a dog fucker in this forum and they've all lasted very long but left or banned because they kept bringing those issues at every opportunity which majorty see as taboos. Not to mention it is illegal. And many other ordinary kind of crackpots, we all are in that category in some way.

This man or that woman, nelson mandela or gandhi...if somebody gets into a political thread and claim that Democrats are trying to build a socialist America, nobody with two brain cells to rub together will respect them. I'm not throwing my hair and saying 'hmph, I don't!', I'm saying, I can't. Because it is absurd. Because we need a modicum of rationality to interact. I can't respect anti-vaxers. I can't respect anyone who claims there is no systematic racism and white supremacism anywhere around the world. I can't respect flat earthers. I can't respect people who think vampires and zombies can exist, because you know 'we don't really know after all'. I can't respect people who decide their lives according to horoscopes, tarot cards, angel quantum something, self-help, sending energy to the universe. Do you think they are not decent people?

But while there is a camp with its entire existance in the country's history as a political wing based on principles like telling women what to do with their bodies, telling people what kind of tv shows they should make and watch or wihich ones they should cancel, what kind of music they should listen, who they should love and marry, how many children they should have, systematically killing people out of their ethnic and religous groups (mostly because they cover their heads though, they can't tell the difference between a sikh and a muslim or a turban and a burkha), esp. immigrants IN the BIGGEST IMMIGRANT COUNTRY ON EARTH and we have these fucking morons dropping one after another telling people that they're angry snowflakes and all they do is throwing tantrums all around. These are just a few examples. Republicans didn't need Trump to begin with anyway.

'Thisz ccountry isz fracturrred.' No shit. It wasn't fractured 20 years ago? 30 years ago? 50 years ago? All this dropped down from sky just like that? Which political wing and ideologies have to rely on devisive policies and fractures? Which fucking moron has carried this to a new dimension, abused almost every issue the country and the world has using a 12 year old's vernacular with a retarded, psychopathic demeanor?

Munch or before pr... Think about their lives and circumstances. In a mass scale, the worst absurd comedy of all times. The American muslim kid who dropped several weeks ago? The same kind of moronity.

Yeah, respect doesn't work that way.
"science is not about building a body of known 'facts'. ıt is a method for asking awkward questions and subjecting them to a reality-check, thus avoiding the human tendency to believe whatever makes us feel good." - tp

SGOS

Quote from: bob nelson on October 26, 2020, 06:55:24 PM
Jesus christ, uh, I mean hail satan, people on this thread take way to much of this stuff personally. This really is your religion now isn't it? The election is a week from now. All of this screaming and kicking will hopefully be over and people can be civil to each other again. I guess what I read is true, most atheists are liberals ,but I didn't expect this much name-calling and temper tantrums. I might be the only one on this web-site that feels this way, but that's okay. As I've gotten older, my feelings on religion and politics have changed to rely on my self and my family more and less on  outside factors. I probably would have to define my self as a "satanist" now. I truly COULD NOT CARE LESS what any bodies opinion is a me. This country is fractured and needs to be repaired. I don't see any of the democrats offering any thing but venom and hatred of the opposition,and nothing short of revolution is good enough. I'm too old to care what other people think. I  do however think a lot of people on this site need to grow-up and get over your selves. HAIL SATAN.
Project much?

Baruch

Quote from: GSOgymrat on October 26, 2020, 09:58:43 PM
I agree but I'm not sure how we get there. America's response to this pandemic has been very discouraging. Often in the past Americans banded together when faced with a threat or disaster but that didn't happen this time. I wish Trump or Congress could be blamed but what is going on in America right now is deep, systemic, sociological, and psychological. This alienation and animosity are multifactorial and can't be fixed simply by electing a new president. That said, Trump has demonstrated no ability to build bridges or de-escalate conflicting factions.

How can we fix this, as long as Democrats exist, as long as Republicans exist?  Y'all are struggling for power and wealth, usually ill got.  How to bridge two competing crime families?  Thompson machine guns out of the window of a Packard touring car.  There is no Chicago Kirk from Star Fleet to make us cool it.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Baruch

Quote from: drunkenshoe on October 27, 2020, 05:25:03 AM
Respect doesn't work that way, Baruch. It is not some sort of an etherial subtsance that naturally accumulates around people who are generally defined as 'decent' according to some norms in a given society but some people refuse just to spite. You are confusing the regard we are all required to show each other to exist in peace; to achieve basic tenets of civilisation with the respect which is based on some sort of admiration for some ability, quality or accomplishment. We don't live in the same building. We have come here to express our opinions and find people who think like us.

Nobody disrespects a member in this forum because of their life style, sexual orientation, nationality OR for their political conviction as long as they can build an argument for it. We have/had every kind of people here. Hell, we had a self proclaimed pedophile, a dog fucker in this forum and they've all lasted very long but left or banned because they kept bringing those issues at every opportunity which majorty see as taboos. Not to mention it is illegal. And many other ordinary kind of crackpots, we all are in that category in some way.

This man or that woman, nelson mandela or gandhi...if somebody gets into a political thread and claim that Democrats are trying to build a socialist America, nobody with two brain cells to rub together will respect them. I'm not throwing my hair and saying 'hmph, I don't!', I'm saying, I can't. Because it is absurd. Because we need a modicum of rationality to interact. I can't respect anti-vaxers. I can't respect anyone who claims there is no systematic racism and white supremacism anywhere around the world. I can't respect flat earthers. I can't respect people who think vampires and zombies can exist, because you know 'we don't really know after all'. I can't respect people who decide their lives according to horoscopes, tarot cards, angel quantum something, self-help, sending energy to the universe. Do you think they are not decent people?

But while there is a camp with its entire existance in the country's history as a political wing based on principles like telling women what to do with their bodies, telling people what kind of tv shows they should make and watch or wihich ones they should cancel, what kind of music they should listen, who they should love and marry, how many children they should have, systematically killing people out of their ethnic and religous groups (mostly because they cover their heads though, they can't tell the difference between a sikh and a muslim or a turban and a burkha), esp. immigrants IN the BIGGEST IMMIGRANT COUNTRY ON EARTH and we have these fucking morons dropping one after another telling people that they're angry snowflakes and all they do is throwing tantrums all around. These are just a few examples. Republicans didn't need Trump to begin with anyway.

'Thisz ccountry isz fracturrred.' No shit. It wasn't fractured 20 years ago? 30 years ago? 50 years ago? All this dropped down from sky just like that? Which political wing and ideologies have to rely on devisive policies and fractures? Which fucking moron has carried this to a new dimension, abused almost every issue the country and the world has using a 12 year old's vernacular with a retarded, psychopathic demeanor?

Munch or before pr... Think about their lives and circumstances. In a mass scale, the worst absurd comedy of all times. The American muslim kid who dropped several weeks ago? The same kind of moronity.

Yeah, respect doesn't work that way.

Deconstructing Gramsci and Trotsky is ... burning.  Sorry.  You are the only person (per semiotics) who knows what a word means?  Per Humpty Dumpty ...

"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to meanâ€"neither more nor less." "The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things." "The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be masterâ€"that's all."

George Orwell didn't invent anything that Lewis Carroll didn't think of first.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

drunkenshoe

Quote from: Baruch on October 27, 2020, 11:04:12 AM
George Orwell didn't invent anything that Lewis Carroll didn't think of first.

Wrong Lewis. George Orwell didn't invent anything. He wrote brilliant fiction on what should be righfully creditted to Lewis Mumford; his critique of both ideologies at the time which he understood and agreed. Mumford has been exiled a couple of times, at least. They hated what he was saying. Except a very few smart men.   

There is a good book on his work related to his personal life, his influence as one of the 5 sociologists from the same generation, all of them born in 1895, but I can't remember the book's name. Something printed in the late 90s. Mumford is a man who saw and talked about the cold war period in early 1930s as far as I get. If memory serves right, they become friends with Orwell for 4-5 years ? and then seperate around when the war breaks out and never see each other again. Then Orwell dies a short time later. He died very young.     
"science is not about building a body of known 'facts'. ıt is a method for asking awkward questions and subjecting them to a reality-check, thus avoiding the human tendency to believe whatever makes us feel good." - tp