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Started by Jason Harvestdancer, July 03, 2020, 09:46:46 PM

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Mike Cl

Yep--orange guy was/is a bully.  He makes no bones about it.  He sees himself as the newest tyrant for life--he makes it clear that the election is invalid and he will remain Mr. President until he gives it to his precious (gollum) daughter.  The bully opens his mouth and more lies tumble out.  He has only one set of rules--his and what he deems is his at any given moment.  Biden may not be the best, but he was the only sane person on the stage tonight.  He also told his 'army' to 'stand down' but stand by.  White nationalists rejoice. 
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?<br />Then he is not omnipotent,<br />Is he able but not willing?<br />Then whence cometh evil?<br />Is he neither able or willing?<br />Then why call him god?

SGOS

These things aren't actually debates as I understand the term.  Presidential debates are more like Jerry Springer reality TV.

Hydra009

Quote from: SGOS on September 30, 2020, 12:52:05 AMThese things aren't actually debates as I understand the term.  Presidential debates are more like Jerry Springer reality TV.
It's no Lincoln-Douglas, that's for sure.  I've seen more rational disputes on friggin' Facebook.  A big part of that is of course Trump but also the format has changed to soundbites and glittering generalities and thought-terminating cliches (it is what it is).  That's what gets rewarded, not knowledge or expertise or rational discourse.  Part of how we got into this mess in the first place.

SGOS

#273
I think I recall these may have originally been sponsored by the League of Women Voters.  I may have confused this with the local debates in my small home town, but I remember them as being more constructive.  The format has changed to accommodate the deep emotional division between the parties.  This type of "debate" environment gives Trump a tremendous advantage.  If they had any inclination to control actual uninterrupted times when a candidate is given the floor, they should give the moderator a switch that could turn off either mike.  I think that would be fun to watch.  It would be like one of those vaudeville hooks they could drag a lousy comedian off the stage with.

Baruch

#274
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 27, 2020, 08:16:21 PM
I think I heard someone say "wash it." Don't know what was so dirty, though, except Trump's whole life.

All the women who have accused Biden of assault should have been in the studio audience ;-)  Biden is a senile, criminal, traitor, rapist ;-)  I feel more sorry for the 1/2 of voters who will vote for such a sad candidate, than the other half who will vote for the obnoxious NYC guy (same as 2016 with the even more vile Hillary).

Even Jimmy Carter, once chased away in his boat by a ninja rabbit, is a better candidate than Biden.  Carter wasn't guilty of accessory to war crimes like Biden.  Nobody ever accused him of rape, or corruption from foreign officials/commercial interests.  He wasn't behind the assassination attempt on Reagan, that was a Bush operation.

"Media call for upcoming debates to be 'canceled,' urge Biden to back out after first brawl with Trump" ... two old men in a pillow fight.  One or both should have died on that stage (America wants a cage fight with blood).  One can hope that the Pence/Harris contest will be more like the Hamilton/Burr contest ;-)  Harris is the real candidate, Biden would resign a month after the inauguration.

"Trump vs Chris Wallace, while Biden listened to ear piece. It was Theatre by Biden Wallace and the DNC." ... and Biden says how proud he is of his son (and his 3.5 million dollar bribe from the Moscow madam) ... "If Joe Biden ‘remains lucid’ he’ll be declared the winner of first debate" ... He did, and so did Hillary.  Joe should offer the same drugs he is taking, free to all Americans!
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Táadoo ánít’iní.
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Don't do that.

Cassia

#275
China, Russia, Iran and the virus won that debate. Even the stupidest, mildly racist redneck who is only capable of digesting guttural Fox news soundbites while pickling their liver with natty lites and paradoxically existing on Socialism Security and Federal Health Insurance Medicaid/care is a better human than the murderous Putin, the dystopian CCP or the theocratical Ayatollahs. However they are all threats to the human race because they care nothing of the 'fake' threat...the greenhouse effect. The suffering before it turns around will require a new adjective to describe. If you have young children, they and their children will grow to hate us.

We gotta pull together, somehow.


Mike Cl

The orange monster thrives on chaos.  Why would he change?  He turned the 'debates' into chaos, which is what he does to everything.  So there was no surprise to last night.  The only thing that can halt that approach is the ability of the moderator to hit a kill mike switch.  And that will not happen--orange would not come to such an event.  I think Biden did about as well as he could in mess he ended up in.  I would advise him not to do the other two.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?<br />Then he is not omnipotent,<br />Is he able but not willing?<br />Then whence cometh evil?<br />Is he neither able or willing?<br />Then why call him god?

SGOS

Quote from: Mike Cl on September 30, 2020, 09:37:30 AM
I think Biden did about as well as he could in mess he ended up in.  I would advise him not to do the other two.
Presidential debates have become more and more pointless over the years.  But refusing to debate, even in a pointless situation is a risky political strategy.  Such wisdom would be seen as cowardliness by many.  And the electorate, having grown up on reality TV, loves this kind of stuff.  Biden did a mediocre job defending against Trump's bullying, which was mostly about all Trump did, but I think (and I often think wrong) that Trump gained more from the debate than Biden.  My guess is that it wasn't a lot, but I'm pretty sure most of his core base was delighted.  It's what his base referrs to as "Telling it like it is."  It's not how accurate this cowboy is; It's how fast he shoots.

SGOS

But then there's this, which does not include an opinion from FOX News.

QuoteWho helped his election chances? Most analysts thought Trump did not. An instant CBS poll showed that slightly more voters thought Biden the winner than Trump. Doug Rivers of the polling firm YouGov wrote: “Trump did badly with his base. 15% of his supporters thought it was a tie, compared to only 4% of Biden supporters. Only 49% of Trump supporters thought it made them think better of Trump.”
Rich Lowry, National Review: “The key takeaway is that Trump set out to make Biden crack, and it didn’t happen.”
Nate Cohn, who analyzes polls for The Times: “What a mess. There was no winner, certainly not the United States. And that makes Biden the winner. He’s the frontrunner. It’s Trump who needed the win, and I think most anyone would agree, as Chris Wallace said, that the president was largely responsible for the debate.”

Cassia

Quote from: SGOS on September 30, 2020, 09:56:38 AM
Presidential debates have become more and more pointless over the years.  But refusing to debate, even in a pointless situation is a risky political strategy.  Such wisdom would be seen as cowardliness by many.  And the electorate, having grown up on reality TV, loves this kind of stuff.  Biden did a mediocre job defending against Trump's bullying, which was mostly about all Trump did, but I think (and I often think wrong) that Trump gained more from the debate than Biden.  My guess is that it wasn't a lot, but I'm pretty sure most of his core base was delighted.  It's what his base referrs to as "Telling it like it is."  It's not how accurate this cowboy is; It's how fast he shoots.
I am clueless as to who will gain additional votes, if any. The core voters are irrelevant. Who are the "sway-ables" at this point anyways?   

Baruch

#280
Quote from: Cassia on September 30, 2020, 09:03:01 AM
China, Russia, Iran and the virus won that debate. Even the stupidest, mildly racist redneck who is only capable of digesting guttural Fox news soundbites while pickling their liver with natty lites and paradoxically existing on Socialism Security and Federal Health Insurance Medicaid/care is a better human than the murderous Putin, the dystopian CCP or the theocratical Ayatollahs. However they are all threats to the human race because they care nothing of the 'fake' threat...the greenhouse effect. The suffering before it turns around will require a new adjective to describe. If you have young children, they and their children will grow to hate us.

We gotta pull together, somehow.

Good, I support all people, including Russia and China and Iran.  The US is a cancer on the world (because of the liberals).  We can stop global warming by killing all the Western consumers ... do your part today!  Will liberals (same as Puritans of yore, and Abolitionists) declare nuclear first strike on Russia, because Putin doesn't like gays?  Will they give China a pass, because they need the fentanyl?
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Baruch

#281
Quote from: Cassia on September 30, 2020, 10:07:02 AM
I am clueless as to who will gain additional votes, if any. The core voters are irrelevant. Who are the "sway-ables" at this point anyways? 

All the dead Democrats need to be swayed ;-)  Nothing has been real, before or after 1960.  The US is a lie, always has been treasonous and criminal.  Already most Republicans don't consider the Democrats to be a legal political party, or even Americans.  Independents (as I was until last year) consider both parties to be illegitimate criminal gangs.  R & D agreed, only when the pie of stolen goods is growing fast enough they can put off fighting for their piece.  The pie hasn't been growing since about 1973 (see difference between average worker and GDP starting then).  So the knives have come out, because there is no honor among thieves (ask Native Americans).

"The sad truth is that it doesn’t matter who wins the White House, because they all work for the same boss: Corporate America..." ... actually multinational corporations who are bending us to a Rollerball world.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Mike Cl

Quote from: SGOS on September 30, 2020, 10:04:35 AM
But then there's this, which does not include an opinion from FOX News.
I am torn.  I suppose Biden will do the other two because he said he would.  I hate bullies and that is all the orange monster is.  I would love Biden to address the orange monster as 'Donald' and say something like this time and again--There you go Donald, lying again!  And I hope Biden drills down on the orange monster telling the right wing white nationalists to 'stand down but stand by'.  Orange is sending out signal after signal that there will be bloodshed if he loses the election--a civil war would delight orange.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?<br />Then he is not omnipotent,<br />Is he able but not willing?<br />Then whence cometh evil?<br />Is he neither able or willing?<br />Then why call him god?

Unbeliever

Who won?  Putin won. America lost, but at least it was entertaining, which is about the best we can expect from a con artist like Trump.
God Not Found
"There is a sucker born-again every minute." - C. Spellman

Hydra009



QuoteJust minutes after his answer at the debate, members of the Proud Boys and similar groups celebrated his response, flooding their social media channels with comments like “Standing by, sir.”

“The comments by the president were a huge win for the Proud Boys, which we should remember is a group who views its mission as literally ‘fighting Antifa’ as part of its ’defense of the West,’” Megan Squire, a computer science professor at Elon University who tracks online extremism, tells TIME. “They’ve now been blessed by the President on the world stage and the data shows they are extremely excited by this.”

Squire adds that her software monitors about a dozen Proud Boys channels on Telegram, and saw them become “very energized” after Trump’s comments at the debate, posting a flood of messages and new memes. “They’re even debating whether to go ‘back to Portland,’ and how to proceed,” she says.
https://time.com/5894497/donald-trump-white-supremacists-debate/

Trump represents them, not you.