Trump Versus Biden

[SGOS]

Most of Trump's supporters do feel better off than 4 years ago.  Pushing the oppressed to the point of rebellion is a warm fuzzy, proving that the oppressed are unworthy.  And if I were a religious fanatic, I would be enthralled with a right wing Supreme Court, no matter how unconventionally they were appointed.  That the 1% should get more of the tax base for themselves would be a non issue.  The biggest improvement for Trump supporters is that they now have a voice, and they love the idea of an outspoken lunatic unleashing so many of their own crazy thoughts without concern over the blow back.  This is the freedom they have sought.  America is finally great again.

[Cassia]

I think there was a sizable block of thoughtless voters who "just wanted to see what would happen".

[GSOgymrat]

Most of Trump's supporters do feel better off than 4 years ago.

This is where I have to recognize I have a skewed perspective because it seems to me that many people regardless of political affiliation are frustrated, fearful and worried about the future. Polls have shown a large increase in Americans reporting anxiety, depression and increased substance use. I doubt Trump supporters are happy, I suspect they just don't blame Trump for perceived problems.

[SGOS]

I think there was a sizable block of thoughtless voters who "just wanted to see what would happen".

lol  I have to admit, I was interested in seeing what would happen, not enough to actually vote for the guy, but I did start off with an intense curiosity.  "Let's see how the Hell this is going to work out."  Now if I were a Democrat, rather than a Liberal, I would have been doing a lot of hand wringing and had a bigger stake in the whole thing (probably), but as it was, I was curious.  So I can see that some people may have said something like, "Well, we are getting nowhere with a Democratic leadership, I think I'll vote Republican."   Although, I don't know how many people would act on that.  Apparently there were a lot, especially in those states that turned red from blue, there had to be some serious dissatisfaction with the Democratic leadership.  I don't know how many switched parties, or how many just stayed home.  In fact, I believe this attitude has been growing among Liberals for a long time, and as much as Trump displeases those people now, I think that attitude still exists.

[SGOS]

This is where I have to recognize I have a skewed perspective because it seems to me that many people regardless of political affiliation are frustrated, fearful and worried about the future. Polls have shown a large increase in Americans reporting anxiety, depression and increased substance use. I doubt Trump supporters are happy, I suspect they just don't blame Trump for perceived problems.

If Republicans aren't happy right now, I'm at a loss to explain why.  In the last four years, the Republican Party has delivered to its constituents far more than it ever has.  They have changed the direction of the nation dramatically in ways matter to the average Republican.  What's not for them to be happy about?  Yes, Republicans failed at repealing Obamacare and probably a few other promises, but over all they have made tremendous strides during the Trump administration.  They did their job and got it done as far as I can tell.  Much of this is not the work of Trump, but he does act as a relief valve for right wing frustrations.  He speaks to his supporters hearts, toxic and vulgar as he does, but in ways they seem to approve and understand.

But I think you are right that people are more frustrated, anxious, and depressed that ever before.  Probably more so than during the Great Depression.  America is in a slide.  Our global supremacy is in decline. We are more vulnerable, both in national security and economically. And worst of all we hate each other.  But I suppose this is normal when people get frustrated.

[Cassia]

My company offered to fund engineers to pursue an MBA degree. The class that affected me the most was marketing. The science of manipulation. The art of the 'spin'. The 'pull'. The 'push'. The tugging on emotion. The marketer, the politician, the salesman, the lobbyist, the priest, the magician, the extremist. All the same.

Anyone who exists way out on the wings has been manipulated. Facts are simply not out there by definition. However, statistics predict that they will happen to represent the truth on rare occasions. But that does not matter because it is buried their noise.

[Baruch]

I don't have any illusions about changing the minds of Trump supporters just as I can't imagine my own opinion of Trump changing. I would ask them the classic election question "Are you better off now than you were four years ago?"

Republicans have been in charge so if you like how things are in 2020 then keep the same politicians in office.

My ex and daughter are liberals, have full TDS from the start.  My ex is so crazy, and being half Italian, she would rather move to Italy and claim dual citizenship and support La Cosa Nostra than be an American except under the most liberal possible government.  Psychopathy, mania and paranoia.  They are most dear to me, but they must do what they must do.  This is the only degree by which the election touches me, otherwise I don't give a flip what happens to the US or the World.  Burn it all down, or don't.

[Baruch]

I think there was a sizable block of thoughtless voters who "just wanted to see what would happen".

I voted for Gary Johnson, so did my daughter.  I have never been a Republican, neither has she.  Every time you vote, unless you know the candidate personally, you are making a shot in the dark, like Breonna Taylor's gangster boyfriend.

[Baruch]

My company offered to fund engineers to pursue an MBA degree. The class that affected me the most was marketing. The science of manipulation. The art of the 'spin'. The 'pull'. The 'push'. The tugging on emotion. The marketer, the politician, the salesman, the lobbyist, the priest, the magician, the extremist. All the same.

Anyone who exists way out on the wings has been manipulated. Facts are simply not out there by definition. However, statistics predict that they will happen to represent the truth on rare occasions. But that does not matter because it is buried their noise.

Edward Bernays, nephew of Sigmund Freud.  It wasn't just Joseph Goebbels.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOUcXK_7d_c

[drunkenshoe]

If Republicans aren't happy right now, I'm at a loss to explain why.  In the last four years, the Republican Party has delivered to its constituents far more than it ever has.  They have changed the direction of the nation dramatically in ways matter to the average Republican.  What's not for them to be happy about?  Yes, Republicans failed at repealing Obamacare and probably a few other promises, but over all they have made tremendous strides during the Trump administration.  They did their job and got it done as far as I can tell.  Much of this is not the work of Trump, but he does act as a relief valve for right wing frustrations.  He speaks to his supporters hearts, toxic and vulgar as he does, but in ways they seem to approve and understand.

But I think you are right that people are more frustrated, anxious, and depressed that ever before.  Probably more so than during the Great Depression.  America is in a slide.  Our global supremacy is in decline. We are more vulnerable, both in national security and economically. And worst of all we hate each other.  But I suppose this is normal when people get frustrated.

That sounds familiar. But in a different way. Here, the religious government has been upset for some time because they KNOW they can't administrate. The country has changed so dramatically in the last 17 years, they can't believe themselves. They have been aware of it before the economical collapse few years ago. and they know they can't do anything either.

Would it be too much to say that as the republican brain team is not actually stupid, they perfectly know they can't really administrate the country?

The Funny thing is 15 years ago this wouldn't happen. Hell, 10 years ago it wouldn't happen. This angle wouldn't be there. I mean a political wing; a camp, wouldn't think this way, wouldn't care what is going to happen as long as they win, but then it would be obscure anyway. Not that anyone would put their minds into the future that way. LOL

E: That's a good hint about how radicalised the world got in short time. Also pandemic probably played a role too. And considering it is not going anywhere for a few years yet.  Ooof I want to move to another planet.

[Baruch]

That sounds familiar. But in a different way. Here, the religious government has been upset for some time because they KNOW they can't administrate. The country has changed so dramatically in the last 17 years, they can't believe themselves. They have been aware of it before the economical collapse few years ago. and they know they can't do anything either.

Would it be too much to say that as the republican brain team is not actually stupid, they perfectly know they can't really administrate the country?

The Funny thing is 15 years ago this wouldn't happen. Hell, 10 years ago it wouldn't happen. This angle wouldn't be there. I mean a political wing; a camp, wouldn't think this way, wouldn't care what is going to happen as long as they win, but then it would be obscure anyway. Not that anyone would put their minds into the future that way. LOL

Empires built on pillage eventually run out of other people's money, same as Socialism.  Can clerics run finance?  Specialization of labor says no.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64Sl-km0M2k

Even gays want to vote Trump.  Biden can bring Lenin's corpse from Moscow to his rally of the dead communists ;-)  A good rally theme song for them is the Darth Vader theme ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNv5sPu0C1E

... for all those Dem war mongers and their Deep State storm troopers!  Hillary looks just like the evil Emperor ... Republicans are the pre-quels ... the old Republic.

[trdsf]

Who knew Fox had honest staff?  At a minimum, someone wasn't paying attention whether there was a hot mic in their vicinity... best laugh I've had all week.

[Unbeliever]

I think I heard someone say "wash it." Don't know what was so dirty, though, except Trump's whole life.

[Baruch]

I think I heard someone say "wash it." Don't know what was so dirty, though, except Trump's whole life.

And if you were a pubic figure, how would you fare? ;-)
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"Herschel Walker claims China is helping fund BLM which then donates to Democrats" ... telling truth to evil power

"Colorado Encourages Dead People, Non-Citizens To Vote" ... on-line registration.  This is why voter registration should be in person

"Backlash Builds After Biden Compares Trump To Nazi Propagandist Goebbels" ... yes, the most Jewish non-Jewish President ever is a Nazi?  Biden et al works with Ukrainian oligarchs who are like the Nazi-collaborators from WW II.

"'Cash-For-Ballots' Fraud Uncovered In Ilhan Omar's Minnesota District: Veritas" ... this is why you don't do ballot harvesting.  Send all the incestuous Somalis back to Somalia!

"WHERE'S JOE BIDEN?" ... prep for the first debate, getting injections of adenochrome harvested from aborted babies and Epstein teen girl victims ;-)

"A CONFUSED JOE BIDEN CLAIMS HE ENTERED THE SENATE 180 YEARS AGO" ... yes, he actually is that old ;-(

"The ‘Trump Doctrine’ earns President third Nobel Peace Prize nomination" ... Obama doctrine = invade every ME country that The Shrub didn't invade

"Chicago postal workers threaten to stop delivering mail after multiple employees shot on the job" ... another example of Dem management

"Chinese State Media Outlet Throws Support Behind Black Lives Matter" ... Free Tibet and Xijiang

[Hydra009]

Just watched the first debate.  That was really...uhh...something.

For starters, Trump has a YUGE interruption problem.  Talked over Biden.  Talked over the moderator.  Couldn't behave himself at the table like an adult.  About halfway through, he was able to control himself somewhat again.

Second, I disliked how Biden allowed himself to get roped into talking about irrelevant stuff like Hunter or whatever bizarre lie Trump came up with (like the mysterious unnamed European country with fire-preventing raking - perhaps on the forest-moon of Endor).  You absolutely can't allow Trump to control the conversation, diverting it as it suits him.  Biden pulled his punches a lot and treated Trump as if he were a colleague and not a fraud.  He laughed off Trump and said that Trump has no idea what he's doing, which is fine I guess.  Clown and worst president we've ever had are much more accurate and well-earned labels, but those zingers were few and far between.  Trump also challenged Biden to say that he supports "law and order" - virtue words disguising a disgusting policy of violent protest-busting and secret police going on a campaign of brutality and abduction on citizens in direct defiance of the law.  I would have said as much.  Alas, Biden did not.  Bad tactics.

Biden did noticeably stumble on his words sometimes, though not any worse than the way most people do.  He didn't come across as losing his faculties, though a barrage of childish interruption got him to skip from 2 to 3 on a numbered list, which I'm sure you'll find on some whackjob site or new attack ad.  Biden at least came across as a reasonably intelligent and capable person with very moderate, workable solutions.  So that's good.

The first thing Trump attacked Biden on was say that Biden would "take away private insurance" with a public option.  He later apparently confused Biden's plan with Bernie's green new deal.  Such flattery!  I fervently wish it were so!

Biden came across a lot better on the pandemic and climate change.  I'm in full agreement with him there.  Trump said a lot of BS - essentially blaming China rather than taking any personal responsibility, assuming that Biden would have been worse and then claiming it's a certainty, and essentially giving himself laurels on behalf of his suspiciously unnamed adoring fans in the government.  He even blatantly lied and said that the public is generally supportive of his covid response, which is absolutely not true.  I will give him credit for saying exactly one true thing - these lockdowns have been very hard on people psychologically.  Though obviously, we wouldn't have to endure this hardship for this long if this crisis had been dealt with by capable leadership.  Plague rats and plague rat policy laid America low.  And the North remembers.

Trump's talk about ballots was very disturbing.  His default assumption that this election is illegitimate - even going as far to say that he'd make the Supreme Court "look in" on the election.  Ominous.  Darth Sidious vibes.

I am convinced that this guy is at war with American democracy.  Republican, Democrat, Independent - we all have to set our differences aside and work to preserve the Republic.  Biden probably isn't your first choice, definitely wasn't my first choice, but it's either him or this country burns while Nero golfs.  I know which one I prefer.