Author Topic: Trump Versus Biden  (Read 1234 times)

Offline Hydra009

Re: Trump Versus Biden
« Reply #15 on: July 04, 2020, 03:01:42 PM »
Good point.  During the Democratic Primary an effort was made to ensure we saw all 20 candidates.  Now that the major party primaries are over, we are only supposed to see two candidates.
That's sorta how primaries work.

Re: Trump Versus Biden
« Reply #16 on: July 04, 2020, 03:32:51 PM »
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Offline Sal1981

Re: Trump Versus Biden
« Reply #17 on: July 04, 2020, 07:42:56 PM »
Here's a whataboutism: What about #Unity2020 ?
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Offline Baruch

Re: Trump Versus Biden
« Reply #18 on: July 04, 2020, 10:52:49 PM »
Here's a whataboutism: What about #Unity2020 ?

The two party system is the natural development of a democratic republican system of power sharing.  People alone are weak.  So they form parties, churches, companies, unions to magnify their competitive power (and individuals lose their personal power to do this).  Eventually, in a city or a great nation, a nearly balanced two party system is formed because third parties are weak and never get anywhere (sorry).  This is partly because of the US system (Presidential system with pluralistic representation) say compared to Italy (Parliamentary system with proportional representation).  The problem with parliamentary systems is that you are often forced into coalitions governments ... because the polity is too divided.

One can argue as some do, that a parliamentary system is better, that proportional representation is better.  But the name "Unity2020" is utopian.  If there was just one person in your country, and they weren't schizoid, then you will have unity ;-)  Otherwise, given the desire for power and money, unequal competition will result.  And of course we have the one party dictatorship model of China.  Unity by bayonet.  The reality of human nature is that I am willing to put a shiv between your ribs to keep what I have, and get what I don't have ;-(
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Offline drunkenshoe

Re: Trump Versus Biden
« Reply #19 on: July 05, 2020, 12:24:48 AM »
Jason Harvester, correct me if I'm wrong but if memory serves right, you don't vote?  I think you opened the same thread before the previous election and before the one before that with the same 'why do we have two parties only' rant?

Yeah I get it. Everyone gets it. However, if you don't run for a cave after every election and live there till the next one, what is so surprising about all this? What's the deal? How does Trump vs someone confuse you under all these circumstances?



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Offline Draconic Aiur

Re: Trump Versus Biden
« Reply #20 on: July 05, 2020, 03:20:03 AM »
So, now that the Democrats have picked their candidate, we are supposed to pretend the third parties don't exist and concentrate ust on these two.

Let's have it,  stump for your preferred candidate.

Personally I think replacing Trump with Biden is like sitting your pants and then changing your shirt.

Well today is not the time to vote Libertarian. That party wants to act like Trump on steroids and burn everything and that means all the socialist programs, environmental and civil protections out the door. They even want to let the private sector run many things and have a naive approach to free trade and believe private companies are angels and won't screw us all to death.

Re: Trump Versus Biden
« Reply #21 on: July 05, 2020, 08:52:54 AM »
Actually I do vote, regularly, third party.

Of course "this is the most important election evar" just like in 1972, 1976, 1980, 1984, 1988, 1992, 1996, 2000, 2004, 2008, 2012, and 2016, so we can't afford to consider third parties.
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Offline Baruch

Re: Trump Versus Biden
« Reply #22 on: July 05, 2020, 08:53:19 AM »
Well today is not the time to vote Libertarian. That party wants to act like Trump on steroids and burn everything and that means all the socialist programs, environmental and civil protections out the door. They even want to let the private sector run many things and have a naive approach to free trade and believe private companies are angels and won't screw us all to death.

Why I am not a Republican

Why I am not a Democrat?  Running everything from the center, by committee.
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Offline Sal1981

Re: Trump Versus Biden
« Reply #23 on: July 05, 2020, 11:21:18 AM »
The two party system is the natural development of a democratic republican system of power sharing.  People alone are weak.  So they form parties, churches, companies, unions to magnify their competitive power (and individuals lose their personal power to do this).  Eventually, in a city or a great nation, a nearly balanced two party system is formed because third parties are weak and never get anywhere (sorry).  This is partly because of the US system (Presidential system with pluralistic representation) say compared to Italy (Parliamentary system with proportional representation).  The problem with parliamentary systems is that you are often forced into coalitions governments ... because the polity is too divided.
You write that as if coalition governments are bad. I view them as a net positive because of the vibrant discourse and *gasp* concessions and *double gasp* compromises the elected official are willing to make. This in turn results in genuine discussion in public - I'm wary of people talking about disagreements between political parties as if nothing gets done.

One can argue as some do, that a parliamentary system is better, that proportional representation is better.  But the name "Unity2020" is utopian.  If there was just one person in your country, and they weren't schizoid, then you will have unity ;-)  Otherwise, given the desire for power and money, unequal competition will result.  And of course we have the one party dictatorship model of China.  Unity by bayonet.  The reality of human nature is that I am willing to put a shiv between your ribs to keep what I have, and get what I don't have ;-(
#Unity2020 was, in large part, started by Bret Weinstein and has gotten a life of its own apart from its originators. I wouldn't dismiss it that easily offhand. We'll see if this rock will fly.

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Offline Hydra009

Re: Trump Versus Biden
« Reply #24 on: July 05, 2020, 12:15:42 PM »
Actually I do vote, regularly, third party.

Of course "this is the most important election evar" just like in 1972, 1976, 1980, 1984, 1988, 1992, 1996, 2000, 2004, 2008, 2012, and 2016, so we can't afford to consider third parties.
Do libertarians have any better policies this year than they did in 2016, 2012, etc?  Got a plan for pandemics?  Global warming?  Universal healthcare?

Offline Baruch

Re: Trump Versus Biden
« Reply #25 on: July 05, 2020, 03:13:40 PM »
You write that as if coalition governments are bad. I view them as a net positive because of the vibrant discourse and *gasp* concessions and *double gasp* compromises the elected official are willing to make. This in turn results in genuine discussion in public - I'm wary of people talking about disagreements between political parties as if nothing gets done.
#Unity2020 was, in large part, started by Bret Weinstein and has gotten a life of its own apart from its originators. I wouldn't dismiss it that easily offhand. We'll see if this rock will fly.

The people who only desire power and wealth are simpletons.

Yes to the first part.  Per Bismarck if you don't like how sausage is made, you won't like how legislation is made ;-)  If you don't want disagreements, have a dictator, who is not schizoid.

Bret Weinstein was cucked by the degenerates at Evergreen College.  Like 2016 when Bernie was cucked by a couple of BLM bitches.
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Offline Baruch

Re: Trump Versus Biden
« Reply #26 on: July 05, 2020, 03:15:31 PM »
Do libertarians have any better policies this year than they did in 2016, 2012, etc?  Got a plan for pandemics?  Global warming?  Universal healthcare?

Not a libertarian, but if you define that as a completely random free person, having any plan for anything is a contradiction.  A totally free person (lunatic?) isn't concerned about any collective problems.  They don't even have any concerns of their own.  Think of a beach bum in California during an LSD trip.

Sorry Dems, Trump made a pretty good speech yesterday, best since the State of the Union.  NYT of course, the former employer of Karl Marx, didn't like it.

Elite opinion?  If I can make a million dollars as a Democrat, I will support them.  If I can make a million dollars as a Republican, I will support them.  Complete degenerates, think Caligula.
« Last Edit: July 05, 2020, 03:35:37 PM by Baruch »
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Re: Trump Versus Biden
« Reply #27 on: July 05, 2020, 05:01:40 PM »
Do libertarians have any better policies this year than they did in 2016, 2012, etc?  Got a plan for pandemics?  Global warming?  Universal healthcare?

Yes.

I greatly want everyone to have access to affordable quality healthcare, so I want to find the reason the costs have risen faster than inflation and cut those reasons out.  The funny thing is if I am right about the reasons you will accuse me of wanting to prevent the poor from accessing healthcare while I attack the reasons.
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Offline Hydra009

Re: Trump Versus Biden
« Reply #28 on: July 05, 2020, 05:07:22 PM »
Well, I suppose you have no choice but to keep your genius plan secret then.

Offline drunkenshoe

Re: Trump Versus Biden
« Reply #29 on: July 06, 2020, 04:10:27 AM »
Actually I do vote, regularly, third party.

Of course "this is the most important election evar" just like in 1972, 1976, 1980, 1984, 1988, 1992, 1996, 2000, 2004, 2008, 2012, and 2016, so we can't afford to consider third parties.

My mistake. But then yeah, not that different than not voting. Because voting is not just about the party you want to vote for but also about the election system, the other parties, the hierarchy of the parties and the parties you don't want to vote for. Which is bullshit in theory and I absolutely agree with you on that.

However, it doesn't work that way. There is a fundemantal flaw in the understanding of concepts of 'democracy', 'constitution' or 'freedom' every where around the world but it seems that in the States it is another dimension because majority of Americans -from opposing groups- overestimate themselves, their culture, the system... That's a big mistake. It has a very big price.

This election is different. I'm not discussing if it is important for you or why you think they all have the same importance. Because if you can count all of those dates from the past 50 years like throwing confetti from a bag while voting for a third party, then Trump winning or losing doesn't really change anything for you. 

Jason, when people say 'we we will go 20 years backwards' they don't mean we are going to land in 90s like in science fiction movies. These people are hell bent on to change your system completely. I know it sounds comical to you now but going backwards in these circumstances, with these dynamics mean turning a lot of places to old Detroit in the States. And eventually breaking/dividing the United States of America.

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