Trump Versus Biden

[Hydra009]

There is clearly a level of denial among some Trump supporters but I think many of them genuinely don't understand how Biden won because they are in an information bubble perpetuated by social media, news aggregators, biased news agencies, and like-minded associates.

Just imagine the inverse.

I thought Clinton would narrowly win in 2016, but you don't see me yelling at poll workers to stop counting votes, baselessly claim that the votes for Trump were "illegal", hold a press conference at The Ritz (Cracker factory) to launch lawsuits on all the states that dared go a different way than I expected, say that the media is lying when they call the states (a "rule" I conveniently ignore when a state is called blue), or convince the VP and some members of Congress to refuse to cooperate with a handoff to the President-Elect.  Nor did I call for a laughably small protest group waving Clinton flags and quite a few guns to march on DC to prevent Trump from "stealing" the election.

In fact, any of those things would give me serious misgivings and quite a few of them would cause me withdraw all support.

In 2016, I was disappointed by the results, but I accepted them and supported a peaceful transfer of power, because that's how democracies operate.  And adults respect that.  Children, on the other hand, throw temper tantrums and traitors push for a banana republic.

[SGOS]

There is clearly a level of denial among some Trump supporters but I think many of them genuinely don't understand how Biden won because they are in an information bubble perpetuated by social media, news aggregators, biased news agencies, and like-minded associates.

In fairness to the Trumpets, they did not engineer the Republican cheating.  That is all done by Trump and other high level party officials, although the Trumpets don't seem to object either.

It's worrisome to me that so many people on one side of the political divide appear to sincerely not understand why the other side voted for their candidate. Because they don't understand, there are people who think supporters of the other candidate are not merely wrong on the issues but have bad intentions. Most people are not malevolent, they have different values and priorities.

The GOP noise makers don't represent all Republicans. They are the most easily influenced and take to the streets following Trump's example.  I know many Republicans that are not blind followers, and I'm actually close friends with a some.  Yes, they have different priorities.  We are never going to agree on much of anything.  But they can be decent people.

But all that aside, the Trumpets blatantly hypocritical protests against rigged elections was so laughingly absurd that I just couldn't resist taking the shot.  Until someone comes up with actual evidence of wide scale cheating in the election, I will not assume the election belongs to Trump.

[Hydra009]

The GOP noise makers don't represent all Republicans. They are the most easily influenced and take to the streets following Trump's example.  I know many Republicans that are not blind followers, and I'm actually close friends with a some.

True, but the breakdown is about 40% crazies to 60% not-crazy.  A minority, but not a tiny minority.

[Hydra009]

>80% Trump voters say election was illegitimate

Maybe much more than a minority!

[GSOgymrat]

>80% Trump voters say election was illegitimate

Maybe much more than a minority!

Makes sense when taking into account many Trump's supporters voted for him because they distrust the government and traditional politics. There is also a contingent that doesn't care if the election was legit, they want Trump to stay president regardless of how the majority voted.

[SGOS]

>80% Trump voters say election was illegitimate

Maybe much more than a minority!

I didn't realize it was that high.  I would have guessed 40/60.  I guess I want to give them more credit than they deserve.

[Unbeliever]

That's one of the reasons I like being uninsured and indigent. I haven't seen a doctor in almost 20 years, though - and that was because I got too drunk and hurt my leg.

[Unbeliever]

I admit sometimes when I hear people complaining about "socialism" and government regulation I think: okay, let's get rid of Medicare, Medicaid, and social security. When you arrive at the emergency department with a broken leg, registration will say "We estimate the cost of treatment to be $7989 dollars. Will that be cash or credit card? You don't have the money? Sorry. Please try not to bleed on our floors on your way out." Hospitals treat the uninsured and indigent is because the government requires it.

That's the post I meant to refer to.

[Baruch]

I didn't realize it was that high.  I would have guessed 40/60.  I guess I want to give them more credit than they deserve.

"86% of Trump voters say Biden "did not legitimately win the election," while 73% (of same voters) say that we'll "never know the real outcome of this election"  ... yes, the Dems, die ist der ubermenschen (but not fascists).  That is a poll, all polls are false, so don't worry about it (unless you live next to a Comet Pizza parlor).

[Baruch]

Just imagine the inverse.

I thought Clinton would narrowly win in 2016, but you don't see me yelling at poll workers to stop counting votes, baselessly claim that the votes for Trump were "illegal", hold a press conference at The Ritz (Cracker factory) to launch lawsuits on all the states that dared go a different way than I expected, say that the media is lying when they call the states (a "rule" I conveniently ignore when a state is called blue), or convince the VP and some members of Congress to refuse to cooperate with a handoff to the President-Elect.  Nor did I call for a laughably small protest group waving Clinton flags and quite a few guns to march on DC to prevent Trump from "stealing" the election.

In fact, any of those things would give me serious misgivings and quite a few of them would cause me withdraw all support.

In 2016, I was disappointed by the results, but I accepted them and supported a peaceful transfer of power, because that's how democracies operate.  And adults respect that.  Children, on the other hand, throw temper tantrums and traitors push for a banana republic.

She tried to suborn the Electoral College, and bribed Jill Stein to assist her.  Your memory is ...

[Baruch]

In fairness to the Trumpets, they did not engineer the Republican cheating.  That is all done by Trump and other high level party officials, although the Trumpets don't seem to object either.
The GOP noise makers don't represent all Republicans. They are the most easily influenced and take to the streets following Trump's example.  I know many Republicans that are not blind followers, and I'm actually close friends with a some.  Yes, they have different priorities.  We are never going to agree on much of anything.  But they can be decent people.

But all that aside, the Trumpets blatantly hypocritical protests against rigged elections was so laughingly absurd that I just couldn't resist taking the shot.  Until someone comes up with actual evidence of wide scale cheating in the election, I will not assume the election belongs to Trump.

Trump, greatest hacker of all time, and made a mistake, moved votes from Trump to Biden?  Who is smoking what?  The true vote was 100% Biden, just like in E Germany in 1968 ;-)

[Hydra009]

News:  Trump tunes out pandemic surge as he focuses on denying election loss

Trumpers:  What an amazing guy.  He should be in office forever.

[drunkenshoe]

I keep thinking about Atwood’s “The Handmaid Tale” and wondering if we are slowly heading that way. Dam good book if you never read it.

Have you seen Children of Men?  I think we are mostly heading that way. For Atwood's version to become the reality we need a lot less people in the world, imo. Also we shold lose armed forces, industries, societies...

There is not just a huge money and industry in the 'social life' business of humans, also the social life as we know, needs normal, free women because from an archaic point of view social life relies on women to get civilised. If streets are not safe enough, if they cannot make their own money and life, there won't be women outside. That's the outside nobody wants.

Considering the resources powerful countries have right now and what's at stake in those circumstances, the first thing they will try would be killing a huge amount of men. But then a lot of men would be killed by others anyway.

Talking in crude terms. Rough caricature.

[Baruch]

News:  Trump tunes out pandemic surge as he focuses on denying election loss

Trumpers:  What an amazing guy.  He should be in office forever.

Ask and you never-trumpets will receive ;-)

[Baruch]

Have you seen Children of Men?  I think we are mostly heading that way. For Atwood's version to become the reality we need a lot less people in the world, imo. Also we shold lose armed forces, industries, societies...

There is not just a huge money and industry in the 'social life' business of humans, also the social life as we know, needs normal, free women because from an archaic point of view social life relies on women to get civilised. If streets are not safe enough, if they cannot make their own money and life, there won't be women outside. That's the outside nobody wants.

Considering the resources powerful countries have right now and what's at stake in those circumstances, the first thing they will try would be killing a huge amount of men. But then a lot of men would be killed by others anyway.

Talking in crude terms. Rough caricature.

Exactly what Klaus Schwab is planning in the 4th Reich.  Turkey will be happy with their permanent ally.  You will all be culled and replaced by robots.  RUR was more prophesy than 1984.  Also We by Yevgeny Zamyatin ... the total loss of privacy.  You utopians will be dancing in the streets, on your puppet strings.